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Maybe I suck at basic prob/stats but if you remove the scanners, I bet the chance of a plane getting blown up by a terrorist is significantly increased. ;)

tibbon 16y ago
Two things have made the US safer 1- Pilots with guns & keeping the doors closed for the full flight 2- Passengers not willing to allow others on the plane do harm to the plane. If passengers see things happen now, they will stand up and makes attempts to stop them. We won't have a 9/11 style hijacking. Even if someone gets a box cutter in, people will take them down before they'll let them take the plane. I can't imagine how these body scanners would make us significantly safer.
- BCM43 16y ago
  What we are trying to stop has shifted from someone hijacking the plane to someone trying to blow it up. However, this is not a new threat at all, and there are always more ways of getting a bomb on the plane as well as more targets.
  - tibbon 16y ago
    Perhaps, but why do we still focus then so much on 'hijacking' items, like knitting needles that would do little good in making bombs? We haven't reverted to pre 9/11 search coverage of hijack items. Actually, we haven't backed down at all on anything. It seems that once something is identified a threat, it will always now be seen as a threat.
- davidj 16y ago
  won't work. Flight 93 was taken back by the passengers and Bush ordered it to be shot down anyway. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3V9MD15qs5s http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3V9MD15qs5s http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread624915/pg1 http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread624915/pg1
  - tibbon 16y ago
    I don't think we'll ever have a good idea about what happened with flight 93. If the plane was 100% under control and in communication with other planes/ground control, it wouldn't have been shot down. But the real point is that now no one would allow a few guys with boxcutters to take over the plane in the first place. They aren't getting in the cockpit, because that isn't going to open in almost any circumstance. I know if I see some guy stand up and start threatening the plane, I will do whatever it takes to disarm and disable them with what I have available on me- even if I am outmatched physically by size or weaponry. I'd feel certain that if other passengers think that someone is going to take over the plane, they will help out.
Vivtek 16y ago
I would take that bet. I also have an inside track on a great bridge for sale, and some choice coastal real estate, if you're interested.

tibbon 16y ago

Two things have made the US safer 1- Pilots with guns & keeping the doors closed for the full flight 2- Passengers not willing to allow others on the plane do harm to the plane. If passengers see things happen now, they will stand up and makes attempts to stop them. We won't have a 9/11 style hijacking. Even if someone gets a box cutter in, people will take them down before they'll let them take the plane. I can't imagine how these body scanners would make us significantly safer.

BCM43 16y ago
What we are trying to stop has shifted from someone hijacking the plane to someone trying to blow it up. However, this is not a new threat at all, and there are always more ways of getting a bomb on the plane as well as more targets.
- tibbon 16y ago
  Perhaps, but why do we still focus then so much on 'hijacking' items, like knitting needles that would do little good in making bombs? We haven't reverted to pre 9/11 search coverage of hijack items. Actually, we haven't backed down at all on anything. It seems that once something is identified a threat, it will always now be seen as a threat.
davidj 16y ago
won't work. Flight 93 was taken back by the passengers and Bush ordered it to be shot down anyway. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3V9MD15qs5s http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3V9MD15qs5s http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread624915/pg1 http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread624915/pg1
- tibbon 16y ago
  I don't think we'll ever have a good idea about what happened with flight 93. If the plane was 100% under control and in communication with other planes/ground control, it wouldn't have been shot down. But the real point is that now no one would allow a few guys with boxcutters to take over the plane in the first place. They aren't getting in the cockpit, because that isn't going to open in almost any circumstance. I know if I see some guy stand up and start threatening the plane, I will do whatever it takes to disarm and disable them with what I have available on me- even if I am outmatched physically by size or weaponry. I'd feel certain that if other passengers think that someone is going to take over the plane, they will help out.

Vivtek 16y ago

I would take that bet. I also have an inside track on a great bridge for sale, and some choice coastal real estate, if you're interested.