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"Anything you say can and will be used against you in the court of law." Note two things about this statement: 1) Nothing you say will be used for you. 2) Ev

by Nadya 8y ago

"Anything you say can and will be used against you in the court of law." Note two things about this statement: 1) Nothing you say will be used for you. 2) Everything you say will be used against you. I forget the lawyer's name, but the above is paraphrased from a former prosecutor turned D.A. Never put forward any statement to the police without at least consulting your lawyer first. Even if you're innocent, even if you're providing a witness statement. Anything. By all means - give witness statements. Help the police do their job. Just be sure to speak with a lawyer first. There's a very high chance that even though you did nothing wrong you'll incriminate yourself by speaking up.

Quekid5 8y ago
You may be thinking of Don't Talk to the Police[1]? I'm not sure if the speaker explicitly says this or just quotes someone who did, but let's just say that this is a recurring theme in the talk... [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-7o9xYp7eE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-7o9xYp7eE
RRWagner 8y ago
"Will be used against you" to me is one of the strongest arguments against government surveillance without warrants. You can choose to not talk to police. You can't choose to have your data not gathered by the NSA.
hexane360 8y ago
Point 1 doesn't logically follow from the Miranda rights. In fact, that's the whole point of the adversarial court system: everything you say will be used for and against you, by the defense and the prosecution respectively.
- Nadya 8y ago
  How do you think your defense would obtain a copy of anything you said to use in your favor? In a situation where you would need it, it won't be presented unless you happen to have been recording yourself. But if you trust the police to not use things you say against you then you're also likely to trust them enough to not be recording your interactions. The prosecution has no incentive or motivation to present evidence that could be used to the benefit of the defense.
  - hexane360 8y ago
    >How do you think your defense would obtain a copy of anything you said to use in your favor? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discovery_(law) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discovery_(law) Specifically: >Under the rule set forth in Brady v. Maryland, the prosecutor is obligated to provide to the defendant any information that is exculpatory or potentially exculpatory, without any request by the defense. Further discovery is available if initiated by the defendant. For example, a discovery demand might be for production of the names of witnesses, witness statements, information about evidence, a request for opportunity to inspect tangible evidence, and for any reports prepared by expert witnesses who will testify at trial.
    - Nadya 8y ago
      You have far more faith in the system than I do and especially that the police wouldn't deny the existence of evidence that you said what you say you said if it suited them. Things are conveniently lost, misfiled or "never existed" in the first place.. They withold your statement from discovery. You claim they have a written report of your statement and knowingly withheld it. They claim they don't have it, have never had one, and it's nowhere to be found. Now what?

by Nadya 8y ago

Quekid5 8y ago

You may be thinking of Don't Talk to the Police[1]? I'm not sure if the speaker explicitly says this or just quotes someone who did, but let's just say that this is a recurring theme in the talk... [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-7o9xYp7eE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-7o9xYp7eE

RRWagner 8y ago

"Will be used against you" to me is one of the strongest arguments against government surveillance without warrants. You can choose to not talk to police. You can't choose to have your data not gathered by the NSA.

hexane360 8y ago

Point 1 doesn't logically follow from the Miranda rights. In fact, that's the whole point of the adversarial court system: everything you say will be used for and against you, by the defense and the prosecution respectively.

Nadya 8y ago
How do you think your defense would obtain a copy of anything you said to use in your favor? In a situation where you would need it, it won't be presented unless you happen to have been recording yourself. But if you trust the police to not use things you say against you then you're also likely to trust them enough to not be recording your interactions. The prosecution has no incentive or motivation to present evidence that could be used to the benefit of the defense.
- hexane360 8y ago
  >How do you think your defense would obtain a copy of anything you said to use in your favor? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discovery_(law) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discovery_(law) Specifically: >Under the rule set forth in Brady v. Maryland, the prosecutor is obligated to provide to the defendant any information that is exculpatory or potentially exculpatory, without any request by the defense. Further discovery is available if initiated by the defendant. For example, a discovery demand might be for production of the names of witnesses, witness statements, information about evidence, a request for opportunity to inspect tangible evidence, and for any reports prepared by expert witnesses who will testify at trial.
  - Nadya 8y ago
    You have far more faith in the system than I do and especially that the police wouldn't deny the existence of evidence that you said what you say you said if it suited them. Things are conveniently lost, misfiled or "never existed" in the first place.. They withold your statement from discovery. You claim they have a written report of your statement and knowingly withheld it. They claim they don't have it, have never had one, and it's nowhere to be found. Now what?