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It's disingenuous to pretend there's no difference between suppliers operating under the Chinese dictatorship and suppliers operating in Western countries with

by roca 8y ago

It's disingenuous to pretend there's no difference between suppliers operating under the Chinese dictatorship and suppliers operating in Western countries with strong rule-of-law traditions. Even National Security Letters in the USA can be challenged in court. It also matters what you think of the governments that are potentially exerting control. China is way down the list of governments I'd like to have access to critical infrastructure. I can't tell what HCSEC thinks they're doing. Plenty of security research shows that in reality skilled engineers can plant backdoors no-one can find, especially at the hardware level. Apparently most HCSEC staff are Huawei employees so they don't exactly have an incentive to find backdoors. It sounds like a joke.

roenxi 8y ago
The practical difference between being spied on by the Americans or the Chinese seems pretty slight to most countries; this 'rule of law' jazz doesn't really apply for foreigners. Chinese might be more likely to conduct industrial espionage, but the Americans are more likely to bomb a given country. Both seem to be comfortable in-principle with snatching foreigners in foreign countries (although I think China has tended to target ex-Chinese nationals so far). The real issue is that the UK is part of the 5 Eyes, so it has a special reason to be happier about being spied on by Americans.
saiya-jin 8y ago
> suppliers operating in Western countries with strong rule-of-law traditions Get off your high horse a bit. Any moral credit US had was blown off the face of earth with Snowden revelations. You probably don't understand a simple thing - for anyone outside of US ie in Europe, US vs China is not such a clear cut. There is tremendously long list of things US messed up in last 70 years and poured oil tankers-size amount of evil into this world and the consequences are and will be felt for decades to come. No slowing down in sight either.

by roca 8y ago

roenxi 8y ago

The practical difference between being spied on by the Americans or the Chinese seems pretty slight to most countries; this 'rule of law' jazz doesn't really apply for foreigners. Chinese might be more likely to conduct industrial espionage, but the Americans are more likely to bomb a given country. Both seem to be comfortable in-principle with snatching foreigners in foreign countries (although I think China has tended to target ex-Chinese nationals so far). The real issue is that the UK is part of the 5 Eyes, so it has a special reason to be happier about being spied on by Americans.

saiya-jin 8y ago

> suppliers operating in Western countries with strong rule-of-law traditions Get off your high horse a bit. Any moral credit US had was blown off the face of earth with Snowden revelations. You probably don't understand a simple thing - for anyone outside of US ie in Europe, US vs China is not such a clear cut. There is tremendously long list of things US messed up in last 70 years and poured oil tankers-size amount of evil into this world and the consequences are and will be felt for decades to come. No slowing down in sight either.