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From my experience there could be different reasons: 1. They want to learn something they are not legally allowed to ask. Most likely your salary (not legal in
by pandaman 8y ago
From my experience there could be different reasons:
1. They want to learn something they are not legally allowed to ask. Most likely your salary (not legal in California), but also citizenship (required for export license jobs but still illegal to ask in the US) , guess your age, gender, race etc.
2. They think they are very good at persuasion and will manage to sell you their crappy job if only they can get your ear.
3. As you said, some agencies have metrics they need to meet every month and those include number of calls. I learned this is from reading recruiters rants on Linkedin.
- chrisseaton 8y ago> citizenship (required for export license jobs but still illegal to ask in the US) Surely it cannot be illegal to ask about citizenship if it's a requirement for the job?
- pandaman 8y agoI am not a lawyer. Lawyers tell me that I cannot ask this. Citizenship is not a requirement for the job, having export license is. Obtaining it is correlated with being a national of certain countries and not being a national of other countries. Having a US citizenship, however, is a very high probability of success.
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- chrisseaton 8y agoWell cautious legal advice against is not the same thing as being illegal to do.
- pandaman 8y agoSure. I am obviously not qualified to judge legality of anything. IANAL etc etc etc
- gizmo686 8y agoI'm not a lawyer, or involved in hiring, but I do work on an export controlled product. The training I recieved says that one form of "exporting" is conveying technical information to a non-citizen. The only reason export controls prevented us from from showing the material to an arbitrary citizen was our liability if they exported it.
- dragonwriter 8y agoIt is not illegal to ask about citizenship. It is illegal to discriminate on it where it is not a bona fide qualification, which it is not outside of jobs with legal requirements around it. It is legally ill-advised to ask about it when it is not legal to discriminate based on it, because you have no lawful use of the information and asking about it is an action from which discrimination can be inferred. There is a persistent myth that it is unconditionally illegal to ask about things that are usually illegal to discriminate on, but this mistakes both what is illegal and when.
- miketery 8y agoCitizenship isn't a protected class so I believe a company is in their right to discriminate if it chooses so. There are legal and timing issues associated with authorization to work.
- klodolph 8y agoIncorrect. This falls under “immigration status”, a protected class under the Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986. Please consider reviewing your training material if you are involved in the hiring process.
- tropo 8y agoIt's no surprise that we have a spying problem. That law is exactly backwards of what is required to reduce espionage.
- mattkrause 8y agoKinda... Assuming the person is allowed to work, you're not supposed to discriminate based on how they got that right: native-born, refugee, whatever. However, I can't imagine that you'd be forced to help someone keep or obtain that authorization.
- klodolph 8y ago"Are you authorized to work in the United States?" This is good enough. Citizenship is sufficient but not necessary. And of course, you can ask for citizenship if it is a bona fide job qualification (e.g. ITAR).