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Woz misquoted 'Almost every app that I have is better on the iPhone'

87 points by lotusleaf1987 16y ago

J3L2404 16y ago
Paraphrase: Android will be like Windows, lots of marketshare - Still crappy
- patrickaljord 16y ago
  He did say: > Eventually, he thinks that Android quality, consistency, and user satisfaction will match iOS. Did he deny that part? It's not really clear. I see no reason why this couldn't happen though.
- pkulak 16y ago
  Except that Windows 7 seems as polished to me as OS X. The knock on Windows is that it's all closed down and proprietary, which can't really be said about Android. OS X has less baggage than Windows, because it's newer, but in this case Android is the newer OS. I think if Android gets hardware acceleration and polishes a bunch of other little things up, it's going to be very competitive.
  - hackermom 16y ago
    I know this question in itself is off-topic, but exactly how is Windows 7 as polished as OS X?!
    - pkulak 16y ago
      Because, as a Mac user, when I use Windows 7, I'm not bothered by it. That's my test.
devmonk 16y ago
Well, that's not all he's said: http://venturebeat.com/2010/11/18/apples-wozniak-calls-the-winner-in-mobile-race-spoiler-it-isnt-apple/ http://venturebeat.com/2010/11/18/apples-wozniak-calls-the-w...
msie 16y ago
It's amazing how commonly you can be misquoted by anyone, let alone a reporter. You say something to someone, they'll interpret and internalize what you say according to their beliefs and they could possibly construct something entirely new when they "quote" what you say to another person.
- ergo98 16y ago
  Actually in this case it sounds like the reporter wasn't to blame at all. Woz is simply saying "What I really meant was..." Personally I don't get why his thoughts on things are given such importance. Each Apple release he appears at some fan line to go "Hey, everyone remember me! I'm the guy who was involved with Apple for a short period!". Not trying to be cynical, but seriously I suspect he's a major irritation for Jobs.
  - rdouble 16y ago
    He was involved with Apple for a short period? He co-founded the company and was there for 12 years.
    - ergo98 16y ago
      Ending 23 years ago (and saying "12 years" is grossly overgenerous). Of zero relevance to the modern Apple computers (edit: Sorry, it isn't even called Apple Computers anymore)
      - rdouble 16y ago
        "Short period" is still objectively false.
        ergo98 16y ago
        No it isn't. 23 years ago Woz was a "motivational factor" at Apple for the preceding 4 years. The prior two+ years he was off after an accident. Before that he worked with Jobs for 4 years. His real contribution to Apple was for four years of the company's 34 year history.
martythemaniak 16y ago
He still says he expects Android to be the dominant mobile OS. What exactly was he misquoted on?
drivebyacct2 16y ago
And who's fault is this? It's not hard to make a good app. I could implement XMPP messaging in the Facebook app given a few hours and given a few days for a couple other missing bits, I could get the feature parity down to nothing between the Android and iOS Facebook app. Why this hasn't happened, despite the explosive growth of Android, despite the fact that Zuckerberg is now an Android-user, etc, I don't know... but the unintelligent comments here and on Engadget are frustrating. Blame the app developers, not the platform. That's just silly.
- rchowe 16y ago
  It's not hard to make an app, but it's very hard to make a great app. Most devs obsess about design the same way designers do and most designers can't code very well.
  - drivebyacct2 16y ago
    Right, I didn't mean to imply otherwise. But when Facebook decides to give the iOS app more attention than the Android app... well, I can't really blame that on the platform. Really? Someone drive by downvoting both posts without any discussion? Come on, man up and have a discussion. I'm sorry that I don't accept "Android sucks lol" as a reason for why the Facebook app is so much better on iOS devices. It's the same darned reason that the design studio projects my class is working on this year are all based on iOS devices for limited use-cases that would be more easily deployed, serviced and cheaper with an Android solution.
    - rchowe 16y ago
      iOS is more polished and has more room for actual design. Android is a drastic improvement on what was running on smartphones before, but the built-in UI doesn't have the same fit and finish as the iPhone UI. For example, look at the iPhone status bar (the bar at the top of the screen that shows the battery, signal, and time). Now look at the default android status bar. The iPhone one just looks better because all of the icons are the same height. The android icons' goofy roundedness only almost fits with the other standard UI elements. Designers/Developers on a polished platform will make more polished apps. Designers/Developers on a rougher platform will tend to make rougher apps. Note that there are exceptions, but this represents the overall trend.
brudgers 16y ago
>"Wozniak called into Engadget to say that Apple would eventually catch up to some of the features Android has that Apple’s iPhone are currently missing" The ease with which people have come to accept the idea that the iPhone is playing catchup in important areas shows how radically Android has altered the marketplace. Edit: If Wozniak actually said "eventually" that's not exactly high praise for the iPhone roadmap.
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Samuel_Michon 16y ago
"according to Dutch paper De Telegraaf, Woz said that "Android phones have more features," which would help Google's OS become the dominant smartphone platform." Not exactly the most reliable source. De Telegraaf is the Dutch equivalent to the National Enquirer. A typical front page: http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_76-4lWOs7m4/S8WXr8eFQNI/AAAAAAAACAs/FboOlZZ9Vgk/s1600/tlg_pdf_20100414_st_te_001_vptelegraaf_000515.jpg http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_76-4lWOs7m4/S8WXr8eFQNI/AAAAAAAACA...
- kragen 16y ago
  The National Enquirer is by far the most accurate newspaper in the US when it comes to strictly reporting facts and never misquoting anybody. That's because they are right-wing muckrackers, so every time they screw up, they get sued for defamation, and lose. They get sued for defamation all the time. They almost never lose. A person I know has to deal with press interviews on a relatively regular basis. Every time he reads an article for which he was interviewed, he says, he finds misquotes in the article. Except the one time it was the Enquirer.
  - Samuel_Michon 16y ago
    Well, in that respect De Telegraaf isn't like the National Enquirer at all. What is De Telegraaf like then? It puts an emphasis on gossip, fear mongering, photos of barely clad women, fringe science, the national pastime (soccer), political scandal, the Dutch royal family, murder and sexual abuse cases, and immigrants suspected of crimes. I doubt that Woz knew what he was getting himself into when he was interviewed by De Telegraaf.
    - ottbot 16y ago
      The Sun?
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87 points by lotusleaf1987 16y ago

J3L2404 16y ago

Paraphrase: Android will be like Windows, lots of marketshare - Still crappy

patrickaljord 16y ago
He did say: > Eventually, he thinks that Android quality, consistency, and user satisfaction will match iOS. Did he deny that part? It's not really clear. I see no reason why this couldn't happen though.
pkulak 16y ago
Except that Windows 7 seems as polished to me as OS X. The knock on Windows is that it's all closed down and proprietary, which can't really be said about Android. OS X has less baggage than Windows, because it's newer, but in this case Android is the newer OS. I think if Android gets hardware acceleration and polishes a bunch of other little things up, it's going to be very competitive.
- hackermom 16y ago
  I know this question in itself is off-topic, but exactly how is Windows 7 as polished as OS X?!
  - pkulak 16y ago
    Because, as a Mac user, when I use Windows 7, I'm not bothered by it. That's my test.

devmonk 16y ago

Well, that's not all he's said: http://venturebeat.com/2010/11/18/apples-wozniak-calls-the-winner-in-mobile-race-spoiler-it-isnt-apple/ http://venturebeat.com/2010/11/18/apples-wozniak-calls-the-w...

msie 16y ago

It's amazing how commonly you can be misquoted by anyone, let alone a reporter. You say something to someone, they'll interpret and internalize what you say according to their beliefs and they could possibly construct something entirely new when they "quote" what you say to another person.

ergo98 16y ago
Actually in this case it sounds like the reporter wasn't to blame at all. Woz is simply saying "What I really meant was..." Personally I don't get why his thoughts on things are given such importance. Each Apple release he appears at some fan line to go "Hey, everyone remember me! I'm the guy who was involved with Apple for a short period!". Not trying to be cynical, but seriously I suspect he's a major irritation for Jobs.
- rdouble 16y ago
  He was involved with Apple for a short period? He co-founded the company and was there for 12 years.
  - ergo98 16y ago
    Ending 23 years ago (and saying "12 years" is grossly overgenerous). Of zero relevance to the modern Apple computers (edit: Sorry, it isn't even called Apple Computers anymore)
    - rdouble 16y ago
      "Short period" is still objectively false.
      - ergo98 16y ago
        No it isn't. 23 years ago Woz was a "motivational factor" at Apple for the preceding 4 years. The prior two+ years he was off after an accident. Before that he worked with Jobs for 4 years. His real contribution to Apple was for four years of the company's 34 year history.

martythemaniak 16y ago

He still says he expects Android to be the dominant mobile OS. What exactly was he misquoted on?

drivebyacct2 16y ago

And who's fault is this? It's not hard to make a good app. I could implement XMPP messaging in the Facebook app given a few hours and given a few days for a couple other missing bits, I could get the feature parity down to nothing between the Android and iOS Facebook app. Why this hasn't happened, despite the explosive growth of Android, despite the fact that Zuckerberg is now an Android-user, etc, I don't know... but the unintelligent comments here and on Engadget are frustrating. Blame the app developers, not the platform. That's just silly.

rchowe 16y ago
It's not hard to make an app, but it's very hard to make a great app. Most devs obsess about design the same way designers do and most designers can't code very well.
- drivebyacct2 16y ago
  Right, I didn't mean to imply otherwise. But when Facebook decides to give the iOS app more attention than the Android app... well, I can't really blame that on the platform. Really? Someone drive by downvoting both posts without any discussion? Come on, man up and have a discussion. I'm sorry that I don't accept "Android sucks lol" as a reason for why the Facebook app is so much better on iOS devices. It's the same darned reason that the design studio projects my class is working on this year are all based on iOS devices for limited use-cases that would be more easily deployed, serviced and cheaper with an Android solution.
  - rchowe 16y ago
    iOS is more polished and has more room for actual design. Android is a drastic improvement on what was running on smartphones before, but the built-in UI doesn't have the same fit and finish as the iPhone UI. For example, look at the iPhone status bar (the bar at the top of the screen that shows the battery, signal, and time). Now look at the default android status bar. The iPhone one just looks better because all of the icons are the same height. The android icons' goofy roundedness only almost fits with the other standard UI elements. Designers/Developers on a polished platform will make more polished apps. Designers/Developers on a rougher platform will tend to make rougher apps. Note that there are exceptions, but this represents the overall trend.

brudgers 16y ago

>"Wozniak called into Engadget to say that Apple would eventually catch up to some of the features Android has that Apple’s iPhone are currently missing" The ease with which people have come to accept the idea that the iPhone is playing catchup in important areas shows how radically Android has altered the marketplace. Edit: If Wozniak actually said "eventually" that's not exactly high praise for the iPhone roadmap.

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Samuel_Michon 16y ago

"according to Dutch paper De Telegraaf, Woz said that "Android phones have more features," which would help Google's OS become the dominant smartphone platform." Not exactly the most reliable source. De Telegraaf is the Dutch equivalent to the National Enquirer. A typical front page: http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_76-4lWOs7m4/S8WXr8eFQNI/AAAAAAAACAs/FboOlZZ9Vgk/s1600/tlg_pdf_20100414_st_te_001_vptelegraaf_000515.jpg http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_76-4lWOs7m4/S8WXr8eFQNI/AAAAAAAACA...

kragen 16y ago
The National Enquirer is by far the most accurate newspaper in the US when it comes to strictly reporting facts and never misquoting anybody. That's because they are right-wing muckrackers, so every time they screw up, they get sued for defamation, and lose. They get sued for defamation all the time. They almost never lose. A person I know has to deal with press interviews on a relatively regular basis. Every time he reads an article for which he was interviewed, he says, he finds misquotes in the article. Except the one time it was the Enquirer.
- Samuel_Michon 16y ago
  Well, in that respect De Telegraaf isn't like the National Enquirer at all. What is De Telegraaf like then? It puts an emphasis on gossip, fear mongering, photos of barely clad women, fringe science, the national pastime (soccer), political scandal, the Dutch royal family, murder and sexual abuse cases, and immigrants suspected of crimes. I doubt that Woz knew what he was getting himself into when he was interviewed by De Telegraaf.
  - ottbot 16y ago
    The Sun?
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