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> RSI Read the Mind-Body Prescription, you might be surprised at what you learn. RSI is not something we should be afraid of in this day and age, with everythi

by Pimpus 8y ago

> RSI Read the Mind-Body Prescription, you might be surprised at what you learn. RSI is not something we should be afraid of in this day and age, with everything we know about the human organism.

mnm1 8y ago
Bullshit. That might work for some but in no way is it a cure or preventative measure for RSI for everyone. RSI is a real concern and often is caused by actual physical issues that need to be dealt with.
kkarakk 8y ago
>Mind-Body Prescription In this acclaimed volume, Dr. Sarno reveals how many painful conditions-including most neck and back pain, migraine, repetitive stress injuries, whiplash, and tendonitises-are rooted in repressed emotions (book description from amazon) Excuse me while i chuckle heartily
- tomhoward 8y ago
  Half-jokingly: it's repressed emotions that usually cause reactions like that :) I haven't read Sarno's book but I've read the books by another prominent author in this genre, after battling stubborn health conditions for years without respite. Addressing repressed emotions has been the thing that made the difference for me, without doubt. Other things have been important too (diet, exercise, sleep, etc) - but none of that made a persistent difference without addressing the emotions, and none of those things were possible to adhere to consistently without also addressing emotional issues. I know several people who have gone through a similar journey and all found that the emotional approach was the one that worked when others didn't. And yep, we all know a lot about the placebo effect, thanks.
  - kkarakk 8y ago
    just goto a doctor and leave this newage stuff in the bin where it belongs. pain management is a different thing from pain alleviation.
    - tomhoward 8y ago
      Sarno was a conventional physician. Nothing about his theories are "newage" or anti-scientific. Indeed, theories around pain must surely be less scientific if they rely on a dualistic notion of the mind and body being seperate entities. Plenty of people visit mainstream doctors for pain conditions and are told that nothing can be done other than pain medication, which as we're now witnessing, can too often lead to addiction and death. Whereas people who adopt the Sarno approach can and do achieve complete healing of the emotional and physical aspects of their illness. If you actually have any expertise to add to the discussion please share it, otherwise, please step aside and allow grown adults to make their own judgements about what works for them.
      - kkarakk 8y ago
        you've gone into ad hominem territory and are claiming to be a grown adult, i'll let you go about your business but trying to claim it's not quackery will get you shot down in any forum. linking your medical and mental condition breaks down very quickly
        tomhoward 8y ago
        There was no ad-hom. My point was that you're denying the judgements of grown adults about what is effective for them, and you haven't provided any insights with any expert backing but rather are just contemptuously arguing for adherence to what you consider to be mainstream orthodoxy. Recall that this whole subthread began with your mockery of a method developed by a mainstream-qualified doctor that has helped thousands of people over many years. The thing is, what you're arguing for is not even part of mainstream medical orthodoxy. Mainstream medical literature linking chronic muscle-tension and pain to mental health is plentiful, along with the effectiveness of mainstream psychiatric treatments like CBT, and less-mainstream-accepted practices like mindfulness and meditation. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4526658/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4526658/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3237294/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3237294/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4914381/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4914381/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3200134/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3200134/ https://www.nih.gov/news-events/nih-research-matters/meditation-cognitive-behavioral-therapy-ease-low-back-pain https://www.nih.gov/news-events/nih-research-matters/meditat... And here's a specific study on Sarno's technique: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2955480/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2955480/ I'm the first to concede that none of these studies are a home run. Human physiology is vastly complex and the factors leading to chronic illness and pain will inevitably be hard to isolate and different from one person to another. But the plentiful supply of both anecdotal and clinical evidence warrants far more open-minded consideration than you're allowing for with your contemptuous dismissals.

by Pimpus 8y ago

> RSI Read the Mind-Body Prescription, you might be surprised at what you learn. RSI is not something we should be afraid of in this day and age, with everything we know about the human organism.

mnm1 8y ago

Bullshit. That might work for some but in no way is it a cure or preventative measure for RSI for everyone. RSI is a real concern and often is caused by actual physical issues that need to be dealt with.

kkarakk 8y ago

>Mind-Body Prescription In this acclaimed volume, Dr. Sarno reveals how many painful conditions-including most neck and back pain, migraine, repetitive stress injuries, whiplash, and tendonitises-are rooted in repressed emotions (book description from amazon) Excuse me while i chuckle heartily

tomhoward 8y ago
Half-jokingly: it's repressed emotions that usually cause reactions like that :) I haven't read Sarno's book but I've read the books by another prominent author in this genre, after battling stubborn health conditions for years without respite. Addressing repressed emotions has been the thing that made the difference for me, without doubt. Other things have been important too (diet, exercise, sleep, etc) - but none of that made a persistent difference without addressing the emotions, and none of those things were possible to adhere to consistently without also addressing emotional issues. I know several people who have gone through a similar journey and all found that the emotional approach was the one that worked when others didn't. And yep, we all know a lot about the placebo effect, thanks.
- kkarakk 8y ago
  just goto a doctor and leave this newage stuff in the bin where it belongs. pain management is a different thing from pain alleviation.
  - tomhoward 8y ago
    Sarno was a conventional physician. Nothing about his theories are "newage" or anti-scientific. Indeed, theories around pain must surely be less scientific if they rely on a dualistic notion of the mind and body being seperate entities. Plenty of people visit mainstream doctors for pain conditions and are told that nothing can be done other than pain medication, which as we're now witnessing, can too often lead to addiction and death. Whereas people who adopt the Sarno approach can and do achieve complete healing of the emotional and physical aspects of their illness. If you actually have any expertise to add to the discussion please share it, otherwise, please step aside and allow grown adults to make their own judgements about what works for them.
    - kkarakk 8y ago
      you've gone into ad hominem territory and are claiming to be a grown adult, i'll let you go about your business but trying to claim it's not quackery will get you shot down in any forum. linking your medical and mental condition breaks down very quickly
      - tomhoward 8y ago
        There was no ad-hom. My point was that you're denying the judgements of grown adults about what is effective for them, and you haven't provided any insights with any expert backing but rather are just contemptuously arguing for adherence to what you consider to be mainstream orthodoxy. Recall that this whole subthread began with your mockery of a method developed by a mainstream-qualified doctor that has helped thousands of people over many years. The thing is, what you're arguing for is not even part of mainstream medical orthodoxy. Mainstream medical literature linking chronic muscle-tension and pain to mental health is plentiful, along with the effectiveness of mainstream psychiatric treatments like CBT, and less-mainstream-accepted practices like mindfulness and meditation. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4526658/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4526658/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3237294/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3237294/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4914381/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4914381/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3200134/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3200134/ https://www.nih.gov/news-events/nih-research-matters/meditation-cognitive-behavioral-therapy-ease-low-back-pain https://www.nih.gov/news-events/nih-research-matters/meditat... And here's a specific study on Sarno's technique: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2955480/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2955480/ I'm the first to concede that none of these studies are a home run. Human physiology is vastly complex and the factors leading to chronic illness and pain will inevitably be hard to isolate and different from one person to another. But the plentiful supply of both anecdotal and clinical evidence warrants far more open-minded consideration than you're allowing for with your contemptuous dismissals.