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You can't compare them. No American accused of terrorist activity on US soil has ever been held at Guantanamo Bay. If you hang around with terrorists in a war

You can't compare them. No American accused of terrorist activity on US soil has ever been held at Guantanamo Bay. If you hang around with terrorists in a war zone(i.e Afganistan) you can expect your rights to be violated. Surely mistakes are made in a war. That quite different than being kidnapped from your home for expressing different political views.

luckylion 8y ago
> If you hang around with terrorists in a war zone(i.e Afganistan) you can expect your rights to be violated Or in such places as Italy, just walking around, being an imam. Google Abu Omar.
- thefounder 8y ago
  So there was an abuse and it seems there was a trial to prosecute. Some people got jail time for that. You may say that it was not perfect and some people didn't get what they deserved. I agree. But, have you seen any such trial in China? You may be put in jail for even demanding prosecution of the officials responsible for such acts. The press is not allowed to talk/write about such things. China like all the communist countries and authoritan states(i.e Russia) has no real rule of law. In practice the party leaders are the law.
  - luckylion 8y ago
    > But, have you seen any such trial in China? They have show trials of corrupt politicians, just like we do. What does that matter, though? The CIA will continue exactly the same way, with or without some show trial. As will those Chinese government officials who weren't used as an example of Xi's latest war on corruption. > You may be put in jail for even demanding prosecution of the officials responsible for such acts. The press is not allowed to talk/write about such things. I'm not saying they are great. I'm saying maybe stop pretending we are. Sure, we have great explanations for all the extra-legal things ("they were terrorists", "this was a special case, it will never happen again", "it was wrong, the low level official responsible was punished") we do, but so do they. It would be so much easier to criticize them for the stuff they do if the CIA didn't have torture camps all over the world and wouldn't kidnap people "just because" and get away with it by pointing the finger at China or Russia and saying "look, they are much worse than we are".

luckylion 8y ago

> If you hang around with terrorists in a war zone(i.e Afganistan) you can expect your rights to be violated Or in such places as Italy, just walking around, being an imam. Google Abu Omar.

thefounder 8y ago
So there was an abuse and it seems there was a trial to prosecute. Some people got jail time for that. You may say that it was not perfect and some people didn't get what they deserved. I agree. But, have you seen any such trial in China? You may be put in jail for even demanding prosecution of the officials responsible for such acts. The press is not allowed to talk/write about such things. China like all the communist countries and authoritan states(i.e Russia) has no real rule of law. In practice the party leaders are the law.
- luckylion 8y ago
  > But, have you seen any such trial in China? They have show trials of corrupt politicians, just like we do. What does that matter, though? The CIA will continue exactly the same way, with or without some show trial. As will those Chinese government officials who weren't used as an example of Xi's latest war on corruption. > You may be put in jail for even demanding prosecution of the officials responsible for such acts. The press is not allowed to talk/write about such things. I'm not saying they are great. I'm saying maybe stop pretending we are. Sure, we have great explanations for all the extra-legal things ("they were terrorists", "this was a special case, it will never happen again", "it was wrong, the low level official responsible was punished") we do, but so do they. It would be so much easier to criticize them for the stuff they do if the CIA didn't have torture camps all over the world and wouldn't kidnap people "just because" and get away with it by pointing the finger at China or Russia and saying "look, they are much worse than we are".