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Flightradar24 – how it works
- a2tech 8y agoInteresting tidbit from the article—apparently flightradar24 doesn’t show business jets or military planes.
- qrbLPHiKpiux 8y agoI was able to see our state police helicopters a while ago. The state has them marked private now.
- billh 8y agoIf you're interested in that data, https://www.adsbexchange.com https://www.adsbexchange.com will show it. They also have filters available to only show things like Military or "Interesting" aircraft.
- rootusrootus 8y agoI can confirm it does not show the F15s that routinely fly over my house. But I see business jets all the time, no problem.
- gruturo 8y agoThose may be running with their transponder off?
- corford 8y agoFor FR24, commercial bizjets are shown (i.e. those operated for charter). It's only privately owned and operated bizjets that can be hidden if the owner requests it.
- fergbrain 8y ago“Every civilian airliner is equipped with a special device — the so-caller ADS-B (Automatic Dependent Surveillance-Broadcast) transponder” Not true actually: in the US, ADS-B isn’t required until January 1, 2020 [1]. Also, FR24 uses radar data in the US (probably because not all aircraft has ADS-B) [2]. There are also sites, such as ADS-B Exchange [3] that provide unfiltered flight data...very helpful for tracking military flights and such. [1] https://www.faa.gov/nextgen/programs/adsb/faq/#g2 https://www.faa.gov/nextgen/programs/adsb/faq/#g2 [2] https://www.flightradar24.com/how-it-works https://www.flightradar24.com/how-it-works [3] https://www.adsbexchange.com https://www.adsbexchange.com
- jacobreg 8y agoEven after 2020 ADS-B out won't be required in much of the airspace in the US. Only within 30 nautical miles of a class B airport, within the lateral limits of a class C airport, within class D airspace, and above 10k feet (but not below 2500 AGL I think). Even then, its only required for aircraft originally equipped with an alternator and electrical system (except in class B). Basically, it's optional in most uncontrolled airspace and for older aircraft.
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- loeg 8y agoIn practice, anything that can be described as an "airliner" is a large commercial aircraft and flies above 10k regularly. Probably required to have ADS-B.
- godelski 8y agoTo be fair, that's going to include the vast majority of aircraft. Most people will be above 2500AGL if they're not flying for very short distances. That said, there's always people that just like to fly in an unsafe manner.
- jacobreg 8y agoSorry, I may have worded that confusingly. The important number is 10,000 MSL. If you don't go above that you don't need ADS-B (as long as you stay out of the other airspace mentioned). They make an exception for people flying around high terrain, so if you are above 10,000 MSL but below 2,500 AGL then you are also exempt.
- jalgos_eminator 8y agoI started checking Flightradar24 after seeing a few planes circle above my office building one day. Never knew that transponder data was so accessible!
- anyfoo 8y agoCheck opennav.com whether there’s a waypoint at your location. There probably is, as a reference point for the hold pattern (if it was a hold). Just enter a nearby airport and then scroll down to the waypoint map.
- Ayesh 8y agoYou'll be surprised how much data you can easily grab out of thin air, if you probe the right frequency.
- danso 8y agoReminds me of this DIY article: http://jeremybmerrill.com/blog/2016/01/flyover.html http://jeremybmerrill.com/blog/2016/01/flyover.html HN thread here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10969447 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10969447
- diggan 8y agoWorth nothing that if you're in a area with poor coverage, Flightradar24 might be willing to send you a free receiver https://www.flightradar24.com/add-coverage https://www.flightradar24.com/add-coverage Page above also have a similar guide to this submission. I mainly started contributing with data only because you'll be able to get a free business account with Flightradar24 if you contribute, which gives you longer history to view, and bunch of more map layers to use.
- vsl 8y agoArticle did note, at length.
- aw3c2 8y agoIs there a site that offers truly open data, as in a download of all their collected historic data under a open license and without other restrictions (like having to query an API)?
- coin 8y agoAdsbexchange.com
- aw3c2 8y agoNot open data :( > for non-commercial use, all of this data is freely accessible to anyone! > Any commercial users are required to license the data from ADSBexchange, contact here for terms. Commercial use is a thing very hard to define so I avoid that even for personal projects (which could be consider advertisements for my commercial offers).
- santix 8y agoThere's also a community-based ADS-B site: https://www.adsbexchange.com/ https://www.adsbexchange.com/
- zymhan 8y agoAnd a subreddit about ADSB: https://www.reddit.com/r/ADSB/ https://www.reddit.com/r/ADSB/
- sean-duffy 8y agoI use http://360radar.co.uk http://360radar.co.uk, which is a small site run by (I think) just one guy, but it has the best coverage hands down for the UK. It's used extensively by military aircraft enthusiasts in the UK as it'll usually show some stuff that isn't on adsbexchange, and provides some nice features such as aerodrome and weather layers in the UI.
- mtlabs 8y agoIf you use macOS you might enjoy my app Max Planes [1]. It displays all the ADS-B data, tracks planes on a MapKit view and allows you to save and replay logs. Also I have an open source Mac app [2] to act a network server for the USB device. It contains a copy of dump1090 with everything statically linked so you don't need to build anything yourself. Just plug in the dongle and launch the app. It is codesigned, sandboxed and notorized. You can also use the prebuilt dump1090 binary included inside the App. [1] https://mtlabs.com.au/planes/ https://mtlabs.com.au/planes/ [2] https://github.com/mxswd/dump1090-mac-app https://github.com/mxswd/dump1090-mac-app
- sgt 8y agoVery cool - I will try that one, just need an SDR.
- robbiet480 8y agoVery nice ADS-B viewer for macOS! Quickly got it connected to dump1090-mutability once I set the bind host to 0.0.0.0 instead of localhost. I wish planes were differently colored based on certain characteristics, much like OpenADSB on iOS (the best ADS-B app IMHO) EDIT: Also, do you support MLAT?
- OpenADSB 8y agoI am the author of OpenADSB, thanks for the kind words. Please don't hesitate to reach out if you have any suggestions or feature requests. For those that don't know, OpenADSB is an iPhone/iPad app that connects to any Virtual Radar Server and dump1090 server. ADSBexchange runs on VRS and dump1090 is the de facto Raspberry Pi ADS-B decoder. OpenADSB is not affiliated with but uses ADSBexchange as the default datasource. https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/openadsb/id1178703539 https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/openadsb/id1178703539 http://openadsbapp.com/ http://openadsbapp.com/
- sylvinus 8y agoRelevant talk on getting data live from the sky with Node: https://www.dotconferences.com/2017/12/thomas-watson-getting-data-from-the-sky https://www.dotconferences.com/2017/12/thomas-watson-getting...
- samstave 8y agoYou know what would be a fun experiment with this: Would be to specifially watch all the planes that fly in and out of a large notable event; such as the superbowl, or davos, g-20 summit etc - and see where all thise private jets come from to get to that event...
- themodelplumber 8y agoI've seen people doing this on Twitter. With yachts, too, IIRC.
- jeromegv 8y agoThat exists! https://www.flightradar24.com/blog/watch-the-massive-exodus-of-private-jets-after-the-super-bowl/ https://www.flightradar24.com/blog/watch-the-massive-exodus-...
- pjc50 8y ago.. or a small war. https://yorksranter.wordpress.com/2007/07/27/ex-viktor-bout-aircraft-running-guns-to-somalia/ https://yorksranter.wordpress.com/2007/07/27/ex-viktor-bout-...
- fires 8y agoPeople are definitely doing this, also codified in this paper: http://www.cs.ox.ac.uk/files/9919/eurosnp.pdf http://www.cs.ox.ac.uk/files/9919/eurosnp.pdf (Inferring Confidential Corporate Mergers and Government Relations from Air Traffic Communication)
- theNJR 8y agoI don’t know why, but I’m going to set up a station. Just ordered a Pi to setup pihole, might as well track flights around me too.
- RivieraKid 8y agoNot a big fan of "data monopolies" like Flightradar24. It's as if OpenStreetMaps was a private company that capitalizes on being first into the space and having a community of contributors willing to supply data to a private company for free. I hope an open data project such as https://www.adsbexchange.com/ https://www.adsbexchange.com/ wins in the long-term.
- dewey 8y agoI thought it would be cool to have some kind of gateway service that collects the data and then sends if off to adsbexchange, flightradar and others but apparently it's not so easy. Someone else already asked this question before: https://www.reddit.com/r/ADSB/comments/ar3qrw/feed_to_a_single_server_that_refeeds_out_to/ https://www.reddit.com/r/ADSB/comments/ar3qrw/feed_to_a_sing...
- sorenjan 8y agoDo you mean collect data from multiple receivers and send it off to various services from one computer? That messes with MLAT [0] calculations and shouldn't be done. If you want to send data to multiple services from one receiver all you need is to install the feeder for each service. Most uses dump1090 [1], but Flightradar24 uses their own. Dump1090 sends data in different formats to various local ports by default, and ADS-b Exchange uses netcat to send it to their server. You can use the ADS-B Receiver Project [2] to install everything needed. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multilateration https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multilateration [1] https://github.com/flightaware/dump1090 https://github.com/flightaware/dump1090 [2] https://github.com/jprochazka/adsb-receiver https://github.com/jprochazka/adsb-receiver
- dewey 8y agoThanks for the explanation. I was referring to the second use case and I didn’t know it’s so easy. So I guess it’s not that big of a problem.
- loeg 8y agoDo you have more detail on how collection messes with MLAT calculations? It seems like for triangulation purposes, each device should produce some precise timestamp that is not affected by store-and-forward transmission.
- dewey 8y agoIn case you are interested in this kind of things there's also the same for ships: https://www.marinetraffic.com https://www.marinetraffic.com https://www.vesselfinder.com https://www.vesselfinder.com https://www.openseamap.org https://www.openseamap.org
- notalwayshuman 8y agoAishub is also applicable, they have a great model.
- omegant 8y agoThey surely get data from other sources too. You can track planes flying across the ocean, where they get that data from?
- sorenjan 8y agoSatellites, radar, interpolation up to 120 minutes, and receivers on islands. https://www.flightradar24.com/blog/the-evolution-of-flightradar24-coverage/ https://www.flightradar24.com/blog/the-evolution-of-flightra... https://www.flightradar24.com/blog/over-the-ocean-24-hours-of-transatlantic-flight/ https://www.flightradar24.com/blog/over-the-ocean-24-hours-o... https://www.flightradar24.com/blog/tracking-flights-with-satellite-based-ads-b-receivers/ https://www.flightradar24.com/blog/tracking-flights-with-sat...
- omegant 8y agoThanks!
- chrisu 8y agoSimilar open source thing exists for gliders: https://www.glidernet.org https://www.glidernet.org It uses flarm data, which is received by many enthusiasts. Has been on a rise the last few years
- trishmapow2 8y agoRtl-sdrs are great, probably one of the best accidental discoveries I've seen. So many things being sent out from 0-1.5GHz that you can sniff. One that I see often are the unencrypted pagers broadcasting patient details, hotel security information etc. Then you've also got amateur radio, air traffic control, GSM, key fobs, weather stations, satellites, all within the reach of anyone with $15 to spare.
- pard68 8y agoI want[ed] to get one but the options are overwhelming. I dislike buying not-the-best product. I also dislike eBay, which seems to be one of the main methods of purchasing a setup (have been burned too many times by sellers).
- ronsor 8y agoBuy the kit from rtl-sdr.com -- no need to use ebay and they are the best option for a beginner
- pard68 8y agoThanks! Bought one for myself and a second for my Ham radio enthusiast father.
- trishmapow2 8y agoConsider also an FM band-stop filter and an LNA, apparently makes things so much better. Even with the antenna removed I can still hear FM broadcast, ruins the whole band. I've just ordered those two, want to test it with NOAA reception.
- tomfanning 8y agoAllow me to point you to SDRplay who have a line of USB receivers that are far more capable (more sensitive, less overwhelmed by strong signals, wider capture bandwidth, wider frequency range) than any of the RTL dongles, which only cover shortwave (<30MHz) with basically a hack. I like SDR Console as the software for this. https://www.sdrplay.com/ https://www.sdrplay.com/
- cm2187 8y agoAnd what do they do above oceans? Interpolate? Or are there fallback sources of flights positions?
- toomuchtodo 8y agoIridium has a new service (Aireon) piggybacking off of its new satellite constellation that will relay ADS-B data from over the ocean.
- treahauet 8y agoThis article suggests that positions are estimated when the aircraft isn’t in a coverage area. https://thepointsguy.com/2017/09/how-flight-tracking-sites-work/ https://thepointsguy.com/2017/09/how-flight-tracking-sites-w... It’s also worth noting that FlightAware has partnered with Aireon (owned by Iridium according to Wikipedia) to put ADSB receivers on satelites that were launched with Iridum’s NEXT satelite constellation in low-earth orbit. Sounds like that data is not yet included in the free data FlightAware provides on its website, but is available commercially. https://flightaware.com/commercial/aireon https://flightaware.com/commercial/aireon
- hnburnsy 8y agoFlightview also offers an enterprise account for those running an ADS-B ground station and reporting it with their software. https://flightaware.com/adsb/piaware/build https://flightaware.com/adsb/piaware/build
- tyingq 8y agoHere's someone spoofing a fake aircraft this way: https://www.ainonline.com/aviation-news/air-transport/2012-08-21/hackers-faa-disagree-over-ads-b-vulnerability https://www.ainonline.com/aviation-news/air-transport/2012-0...
- MarcysVonEylau 8y agoThat presentation is something that interested me in ADS-B in the first place. Not because I want to spoof airplanes, but because of novelty of this project.
- tyingq 8y agoIt updates position and transmits once per second. I wonder if that makes it useful as a homing signal for a missile. Or perhaps the position resolution isn't close enough for that?
- loeg 8y agoGPS isn't really precise enough for that and targeting civilian aircraft is easy anyway; this isn't much of an additional attack vector, IMO.
- tyingq 8y agoI suppose the benefit of knowing where everything is a security plus. Watching 9/11 documentaries, it was surprising how many aircraft the controllers couldn't account for. (Though this does seem spoofable.)
- Moru 8y agoNot so useful for a plane traveling at 800 km/h. And it's transmitted with radio so anyone can pick it up without internet. But if you want to fire something at a plane there are much easier and cheaper things to use from the ground.
- tyingq 8y agoI didn't mean the internet part...ADS-B in general.
- phkahler 8y agoIs there a simple solution to get a basic offline map (OSM maybe) and use a pi without internet as a radar display at my local non-towered airport?
- _-___________-_ 8y agoYes. A cheap DVB-T dongle supported by RTL-SDR along with https://github.com/MalcolmRobb/dump1090 https://github.com/MalcolmRobb/dump1090 or similar will allow this, but bear in mind that something like this should really not be used in any situation where flight safety depends on it.
- phkahler 8y agoThat uses a google map which is nice, but I'd prefer something offline.
- _-___________-_ 8y agoShould be very easy to swap the google map out for something offline. You can still use the remaining 99% of the tool which does the receiving/decoding/interpreting of the signals.
- netsharc 8y agoIf you're only showing the area around the airport, even a static PNG of the map would work, would it not? Obviously you'd need to figure out the offsets, etc to draw the planes "on top" of the image (if we're talking about an HTML page).
- elizabeth_olu 8y agowww.elizabethblog.com.ng
- usr1106 8y agoIn Germany receiving ADS-B used to be illegal (I don't think it has changed, but I did not verify.) In Finland receiving as such is not illegal, but forwarding the information is. In both cases the reasoning is that this information is not directed to the public. Whether anybody has ever been prosecuted I have no idea.
- remus 8y agoThat seems very odd. Somewhat similar to putting up a billboard then saying it's illegal for people to read it, as the billboard wasn't intended for them.
- heavenlyblue 8y agoSomeone putting a car in the middle of nowhere doesn’t leave it there for anyone ti pickup.
- upofadown 8y agoBut it is pretty OK to look at the license plate...
- izacus 8y agoIs it also OK for that license plate to be shown to the world together with its location and time?
- tialaramex 8y agoBut we are not "picking up" the car. The car is still there for its owner. We only recorded the presence of the car (radio transmission) for our own purposes and it is unmolested.
- heavenlyblue 8y agoNah - you're specifically using technology that allows you to set any frequency you want, but instead, you're picking the frequency that is illegal for you to listen to and then you're recording it. Moreover - when you finally get caught, on which scale do you have to be doing it to get caught in the first place? Remember - laws don't exist outside reality. And let's be honest - the recording of the presence of a car is also quite illegal in certain jurisdictions. e.g. Germany.
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- mswd 8y agoThere's also https://planefinder.net https://planefinder.net
- lesmond 8y agoThank you! Lee (CTO @ Plane Finder)
- citruspi 8y agoHey Lee, Just took a look at your website, I was looking for some kind of historical flight data provider. Clicked on the "Historical Flight Data" link and it just links to a couple popular flights which in turn link to pages with a few pieces of flight data visualized/available. Clicked on the "Commercial Services" link and it details a few commercial services including "Historical Flight Data" which says > Looking for historical flight data? Plane Finder historical flight data is available in 5 minute or 1 minute intervals dating back to 2011 and is delivered as flat files in CSV format. "Historical Flight Data" isn't clickable, and I don't want to fill out a form ("Contact Us"), so I click on "View Products" which just links me to your downloadable apps. Apologies if there's something I'm missing. I'm trying to get a look at API docs and pricing, and sign up and get started without having to "contact your team."
- wetpaws 8y agoGlad to see english version of the habr slowly getting traction.
- cpv 8y agoGood improvement on them. They had interesting articles from time to time, from various domains (security, gamedev, DYI, management, work-life balance, work migration, science, etc). Opening to the international audience can only be beneficial for them, and the audience.
- natch 8y agoBait and switch app. They convinced me to fork out for the fully paid version, then switched to a subscription model that froze current features for those who had supported their work, adding a nag and an implied threat of end of life. Stay away.
- NKosmatos 8y agoOne of the reasons I love HN!!! Nicely written and informative post, cheap and practical stuff, lots of interesting links, comments with extra info... I’m so definitely building a receiver with my spare RPi3.
- alkonaut 8y agoI’m assuming there is more to it than just the radio data? In FR you can see planes everywhere, including thousands of miles off shore. My guess is that FR24 just looks up the flight path from the flight number, and then once an airplane goes “off the radar” it just assumes it goes the shortest/great circle path towards its destination airport - at which point it will again be in a “known” spot? If this is how it’s done then one should see lots of planes approaching e.g the US east coast suddenly “shift” from their estimate position to their transponder positions, as they are picked up by receivers.
- chrisseaton 8y agoBut you can see for yourself aeroplanes far over the ocean clearly not following a great circle route, presumably avoiding weather patterns.
- alkonaut 8y agoInteresting. So how does that work in FR24? If there was a service to get this data over long distances, then all these short range receivers would be unnecessary. So something is missing in “how does FR24 work” when it comes to that data.
- cpncrunch 8y ago
- zeristor 8y agoSomeone put ADS-B on a satellite a few years ago, it looks like this has been done more recently as well: https://www.radarbox24.com/blog/space-based-ads-b https://www.radarbox24.com/blog/space-based-ads-b
- antirez 8y agoAFAIK at least in Europe we are exactly in the process of moving ADS-B receivers in satellites in a large scale fashion to replace the current system based on ground units. I was talking with a control tower worker a few days ago and this is what he said, additionally a few months ago as the author of dump1090 I was approached by the company he mentioned that tried to hire me. So it looks like it's true.
- amingilani 8y agoPerfect timing. I'm just in the process of building my own shortwave listening station in Lahore, Pakistan — which is definitely a low coverage area on both services. I was using a RTL-SDR + Pi and a homebrew antenna to cover the 2m band, so I guess I could run this in parallel. I was looking at volunteer run air quality monitoring services just this morning! Just filled their forms. Slightly concerned about running a blackbox on my network so I'll have to do some isolation, but this'll be a fun contribution.
- bronco21016 8y agoI always thought it would be interesting to package all of this up and sell it to small operators. For example, a flight school could deploy a small scale RTL-SDR based ADS-B/MLAT system for tracking of their aircraft. The geographic area required to cover would be relatively small. Perhaps a 50 nm radius around the base. Of course they could also just fill in the gaps of something like Flightradar or ADS-B exchange but sometimes it’s nice to own your infrastructure.
- corford 8y agoFlight Aware offer a conceptually similar product (i.e. aimed at small operators/FBOs that want to track aircraft) but it uses data from their network rather than needing you to setup your own gear: https://www.flightaware.com/commercial/global https://www.flightaware.com/commercial/global For a more DIY approach, there's these two: http://www.coaa.co.uk/planeplotter.htm http://www.coaa.co.uk/planeplotter.htm http://www.virtualradarserver.co.uk/Default.aspx http://www.virtualradarserver.co.uk/Default.aspx
- lostsock 8y agoSee also the other article currently on the front page of HN re Space Based ADS-B: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19187745 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19187745
- saul_goodman 8y agoIn North America ADS-B is pretty rare except on the coasts where international flights pass through more frequently. If you are not on the coast and look at the logs of your flightradar24 receiver you will see that 99% of the traffic are MLAT rf direction finding logs from mode-S transmissions with no GPS data used. But it's still easier to call it an "ADS-B" receiver because no one knows that MLAT is.
- ferros 8y agoThen how are they not able to find airplanes like mh370...?
- Liquid_Fire 8y agoThe coverage is not global - there are gaps over the oceans and in remote areas (as the article states, it mostly requries unobstructed direct line of sight).
- MarcysVonEylau 8y agoIt's worth pointing out that you can get a free ADS-B receiver from sites like Flightradar24 or Flightaware. The hardware is often proprietary, but they must allow you to re-purpouse the data received by the antenna (it's public domain).
- LancerSykera 8y agoThe article goes over this.
- MarcysVonEylau 8y agoI'm really not a carefull reader...
- dalore 8y agoBlog post could have included a link to https://www.flightradar24.com/ https://www.flightradar24.com/ at least in the first paragraph. Can't find any link in the post at all.
- varlogix 8y agoWow! I had no idea this is how they did it. Very cool!
- punnerud 8y agoExtra notes: 1) You can share the same data to multiple sites from dump1090, not just FR24. 2) I see no difference between the $27 and $9 version of SDR. I can recommend this one: https://www.dx.com/p/rtl2832u-r820t-mini-dvb-t-dab-fm-usb-digital-tv-dongle-black-2021120 https://www.dx.com/p/rtl2832u-r820t-mini-dvb-t-dab-fm-usb-di... Running on two different computers and switching between them give the same number of planes spotted. The $9 actually seems a hint better. 3) I can recommend saving your own data to a sqlite3-database (https://github.com/yanofsky/dump1090-stream-parser https://github.com/yanofsky/dump1090-stream-parser). Easy to work with and under <50MB/month. Fun to write more advanced sql's to count number of time helicopter take-off, the same plane over your house etc. that FR24 can't give you.
- neop1x 8y agoFlightradar24 has a nice interface and apps but it is CENSORED. Not all airplanes transmitting ADS-B are visible there. Fortunately there is https://www.adsbexchange.com https://www.adsbexchange.com which offers unfiltered data. You can set up a receiver so that it runs dump1090 separately and forwards it to both using Beast protocol. You can also participate in adsbexchange M-LAT.
- barrystaes 8y agoDoes something like flightradar24 exist for trains? The only API i found exclude all freight trains. (Netherlands) https://spoorkaart.mwnn.nl/ https://spoorkaart.mwnn.nl/