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Wow... that is just insane. I've been working alone for so long I've not had to deal with anything like that for years, but I'll offer this... Doesn't matter,

by oblib 8y ago

Wow... that is just insane. I've been working alone for so long I've not had to deal with anything like that for years, but I'll offer this... Doesn't matter, so don't let it matter to you. When I worked for others I'd offer my opinion and advice and when it was ignored I'd do it their way every step of the way because it really does not matter. You get paid the same either way. I'll add that because it didn't matter to me I ended up getting to work on some pretty cool stuff. Everyone knew I wouldn't whine about changing directions or being taken off a project and jumping on whatever they wanted so I was almost always the 1st choice to work on something new. When that happened I was often able to influence the direction of the work.

movedx 8y ago
Yes. This... yes. All you can do as a professional, with experience, is offer up an argument and attempt to make it convincing enough to compel people to do things your way. If they reject your option, defend only once, and no more. After that, simply step back and work with whatever technologies are decided upon. You can also attempt to work the social networking game and play (internal) politics. If you do these successfully you're more likely to get your ideas heard and implemented. I find this tiresome. Ultimately if I'm being polite, professional and basing my arguments on facts and evidence, and they're being rejected, I'm not expelling any more energy on this front. Move on. Work on and with what's decided and have fun doing it.
- pojzon 8y ago
  > work with whatever technologies are decided upon. It may sound great when you learn something new, but when you worked with a technology and you know its deprecated crap - as a professional - you should also consider your own career.. Work on crap nobody uses for 5 years and you are so handicapped by that you "will" find a new job, but rather not a good one. Not everyone can spend hours at home to keep up with the industry.
  - oblib 8y ago
    That's true, but not really the same thing. I was looking for work once and went to place that made wheelchair lifts for vans and buses. There was a miscommunication about what they were hiring for and when I got there they took me out to a drill press with a stack of thousands of parts on carts that needed a hole drilled in them. I politely declined the position.

by oblib 8y ago

movedx 8y ago

Yes. This... yes. All you can do as a professional, with experience, is offer up an argument and attempt to make it convincing enough to compel people to do things your way. If they reject your option, defend only once, and no more. After that, simply step back and work with whatever technologies are decided upon. You can also attempt to work the social networking game and play (internal) politics. If you do these successfully you're more likely to get your ideas heard and implemented. I find this tiresome. Ultimately if I'm being polite, professional and basing my arguments on facts and evidence, and they're being rejected, I'm not expelling any more energy on this front. Move on. Work on and with what's decided and have fun doing it.

pojzon 8y ago
> work with whatever technologies are decided upon. It may sound great when you learn something new, but when you worked with a technology and you know its deprecated crap - as a professional - you should also consider your own career.. Work on crap nobody uses for 5 years and you are so handicapped by that you "will" find a new job, but rather not a good one. Not everyone can spend hours at home to keep up with the industry.
- oblib 8y ago
  That's true, but not really the same thing. I was looking for work once and went to place that made wheelchair lifts for vans and buses. There was a miscommunication about what they were hiring for and when I got there they took me out to a drill press with a stack of thousands of parts on carts that needed a hole drilled in them. I politely declined the position.