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Why should I have to pay for someone elese’s retirement?

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lotsofpulp 8y ago
In many tribes, the implicit contract is that if you are unable to have children, raise a family, suffer a loss of family, or become disabled yourself, then the tribe is still there for you. Tribes that have an every man for himself ethos don’t really work out in the long run. Turns out, working together and spreading risk over the tribe (or country) is more sustainable and productive, hence they thrive and have a competitive advantage.
- rattlesnakedave 8y ago
  Right, sure. For truly unpredictable events like suffering a loss or becoming disabled, the argument for a government funded safety net makes a bit more sense. At what point should personal responsibility come into play? IMO it should for something as predictable as “one day you will need to retire.”
  - lotsofpulp 8y ago
    Retirement is not very predictable at all. How long will you live? What medical treatments will you need and how much will they cost? Are your skills going to pay what you think they will for 20 to 40 years in the future? We can’t even predict 2 years into the future, what chance do we have decades in the future. Only certainty I can see is if one decides to kill themself once they are no longer self sufficient. Even then, planning about doing it and doing it are very different things.
kartan 8y ago
> Why should I have to pay for someone elese’s retirement? To have a functional society. Everybody has the mandatory duty to take care of the society they live in. You have right, as you should. But is as fair to have duties. A society where everybody is entitled to rights but nobody wants to perform their duties is a sick society. This benefits you in the end if a selfish reward is what you look for, by creating a better society your odds to have a good life are increased.
gcb0 8y ago
because by killing pensions and forcing people to gamble with stock are essentially also "paying for someone else's retirement" only that its Buffet's and the likes instead of people that needs it for a sane functioning society. there's no way out of paying for someone's else retirement. it just change if you do it consciously and right, or be mislead.

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In many tribes, the implicit contract is that if you are unable to have children, raise a family, suffer a loss of family, or become disabled yourself, then the tribe is still there for you. Tribes that have an every man for himself ethos don’t really work out in the long run. Turns out, working together and spreading risk over the tribe (or country) is more sustainable and productive, hence they thrive and have a competitive advantage.

rattlesnakedave 8y ago
Right, sure. For truly unpredictable events like suffering a loss or becoming disabled, the argument for a government funded safety net makes a bit more sense. At what point should personal responsibility come into play? IMO it should for something as predictable as “one day you will need to retire.”
- lotsofpulp 8y ago
  Retirement is not very predictable at all. How long will you live? What medical treatments will you need and how much will they cost? Are your skills going to pay what you think they will for 20 to 40 years in the future? We can’t even predict 2 years into the future, what chance do we have decades in the future. Only certainty I can see is if one decides to kill themself once they are no longer self sufficient. Even then, planning about doing it and doing it are very different things.

kartan 8y ago

> Why should I have to pay for someone elese’s retirement? To have a functional society. Everybody has the mandatory duty to take care of the society they live in. You have right, as you should. But is as fair to have duties. A society where everybody is entitled to rights but nobody wants to perform their duties is a sick society. This benefits you in the end if a selfish reward is what you look for, by creating a better society your odds to have a good life are increased.

gcb0 8y ago

because by killing pensions and forcing people to gamble with stock are essentially also "paying for someone else's retirement" only that its Buffet's and the likes instead of people that needs it for a sane functioning society. there's no way out of paying for someone's else retirement. it just change if you do it consciously and right, or be mislead.