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That was very strange for me as well, as the original stated goal of OpenAI was to decentralize power. It looks like instead of that they just want to be one mo

That was very strange for me as well, as the original stated goal of OpenAI was to decentralize power. It looks like instead of that they just want to be one more of the few powerful entities.

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pishpash 8y ago
Are you surprised? It's too tempting.
proy24 8y ago
Every utopian dream must end in power grabs. True of communism in the 70s and true in tech now.
- p1esk 8y ago
  70s? Was it ever different?
dave_sullivan 8y ago
Alas OpenAI is just centralized R&D for Musk's different companies. Case in point: they're holding back the code and datasets out of "concern for public safety", but do Musk's companies get access?
- MarcysVonEylau 8y ago
  I like your bubble...
- Isinlor 8y ago
  He left OpenAI a year ago. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-02-17/elon-musk-left-openai-on-disagreements-about-company-pathway https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-02-17/elon-musk...
  - dave_sullivan 8y ago
    Sure, he left OpenAI's board a year ago and he's no longer chairman of Tesla. That doesn't especially change things in practice. Could his lawyers have suggested leaving the OpenAI board due to perceived conflict of interest and problems with his association with other public companies? And can people from Musk's companies then still share information with Open AI? Absolutely.
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DuskStar 8y ago
I thought OpenAI's goal was to make sure that the first Strong General AI was also a SAFE AI, to the point that they've said that if it looks like they're not going to win that race they'll work for the leader instead? Under the theory that if it's a race at the end then corners will be cut that might doom us all, while them throwing their weight behind the leaders would allow enough margin over the #3 AI development program to go slow and get safety right.
skybrian 8y ago
It's possible they would be willing to share with legitimate researchers who ask. Putting it out there for anyone to download is not the only way to do it.
- doctorpangloss 8y ago
  You're interpreting it totally backwards. If they thing OpenAI made isn't interesting enough of a discovery without its data (because it's all arbitrary anyway), but is very useful to spammers as a piece of code, OpenAI has truly achieved the 200% opposite goals they were looking for. I mean the Faceswap people have the same problem. They could give less a shit about porn. But that's what people used it for.

That was very strange for me as well, as the original stated goal of OpenAI was to decentralize power. It looks like instead of that they just want to be one more of the few powerful entities.

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pishpash 8y ago

Are you surprised? It's too tempting.

proy24 8y ago

Every utopian dream must end in power grabs. True of communism in the 70s and true in tech now.

p1esk 8y ago
70s? Was it ever different?

dave_sullivan 8y ago

Alas OpenAI is just centralized R&D for Musk's different companies. Case in point: they're holding back the code and datasets out of "concern for public safety", but do Musk's companies get access?

MarcysVonEylau 8y ago
I like your bubble...
Isinlor 8y ago
He left OpenAI a year ago. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-02-17/elon-musk-left-openai-on-disagreements-about-company-pathway https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-02-17/elon-musk...
- dave_sullivan 8y ago
  Sure, he left OpenAI's board a year ago and he's no longer chairman of Tesla. That doesn't especially change things in practice. Could his lawyers have suggested leaving the OpenAI board due to perceived conflict of interest and problems with his association with other public companies? And can people from Musk's companies then still share information with Open AI? Absolutely.

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DuskStar 8y ago

I thought OpenAI's goal was to make sure that the first Strong General AI was also a SAFE AI, to the point that they've said that if it looks like they're not going to win that race they'll work for the leader instead? Under the theory that if it's a race at the end then corners will be cut that might doom us all, while them throwing their weight behind the leaders would allow enough margin over the #3 AI development program to go slow and get safety right.

skybrian 8y ago

It's possible they would be willing to share with legitimate researchers who ask. Putting it out there for anyone to download is not the only way to do it.

doctorpangloss 8y ago
You're interpreting it totally backwards. If they thing OpenAI made isn't interesting enough of a discovery without its data (because it's all arbitrary anyway), but is very useful to spammers as a piece of code, OpenAI has truly achieved the 200% opposite goals they were looking for. I mean the Faceswap people have the same problem. They could give less a shit about porn. But that's what people used it for.