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This is perhaps most apparent with the Romani, who were targeted for extermination by the Nazis and are still hated today by a great many Europeans. It's alway

This is perhaps most apparent with the Romani, who were targeted for extermination by the Nazis and are still hated today by a great many Europeans. It's always surprising to me how many Europeans chime in whenever this point is raised with "Well actually..." defenses for why their prejudice against Romani is justified.

coldtea 8y ago
This is from the Guardian, not some right wing newspaper: "Most recently, postal workers said they were so frightened delivering in Eastwood after being mugged for their parcels that they no longer went out alone. “They are terrified because of the level of intimidation,’” said Champion. She went out on a round with two postal workers: “If I wasn’t with two post people, I would have been running away. I was really shocked how bad it was.”" https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/nov/03/roma-tire-shouldering-blame-boiling-pot-communities https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/nov/03/roma-tire-sh... This is because of poverty, lack of schooling, a culture of mistrust of the outsider (on the Roma side too), etc. But it doesn't disappear if people close their eyes because they have some idea that all groups of people behave statistically the same.
- ficklepickle 8y ago
  Is it the chicken or the egg, though? Do they behave this way because they are inherently inferior or because they have been marginalized by society for hundreds of years? I truly believe that being rejected by society leads to antisocial behaviour. It doesn't excuse it, but it does explain some of it.
  - coldtea 8y ago
    >Is it the chicken or the egg, though? Obviously it's not the people as human beings at fault. There is no "bad DNA" involved. Nobody is "inherently inferior". >I truly believe that being rejected by society leads to antisocial behaviour. It doesn't excuse it, but it does explain some of it. Sure. But whether it's the chicken or the egg matters when accessing the overall situation. When many from a group of people causes problems where you live, you don't care as much for the historical origins of their behavior, you first and foremost want the problems to stop. Now, if those people complaining where also historically part of the problem (e.g. historically rejected/oppressed the Roma), we could care less about their complaints.

coldtea 8y ago

This is from the Guardian, not some right wing newspaper: "Most recently, postal workers said they were so frightened delivering in Eastwood after being mugged for their parcels that they no longer went out alone. “They are terrified because of the level of intimidation,’” said Champion. She went out on a round with two postal workers: “If I wasn’t with two post people, I would have been running away. I was really shocked how bad it was.”" https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/nov/03/roma-tire-shouldering-blame-boiling-pot-communities https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/nov/03/roma-tire-sh... This is because of poverty, lack of schooling, a culture of mistrust of the outsider (on the Roma side too), etc. But it doesn't disappear if people close their eyes because they have some idea that all groups of people behave statistically the same.

ficklepickle 8y ago
Is it the chicken or the egg, though? Do they behave this way because they are inherently inferior or because they have been marginalized by society for hundreds of years? I truly believe that being rejected by society leads to antisocial behaviour. It doesn't excuse it, but it does explain some of it.
- coldtea 8y ago
  >Is it the chicken or the egg, though? Obviously it's not the people as human beings at fault. There is no "bad DNA" involved. Nobody is "inherently inferior". >I truly believe that being rejected by society leads to antisocial behaviour. It doesn't excuse it, but it does explain some of it. Sure. But whether it's the chicken or the egg matters when accessing the overall situation. When many from a group of people causes problems where you live, you don't care as much for the historical origins of their behavior, you first and foremost want the problems to stop. Now, if those people complaining where also historically part of the problem (e.g. historically rejected/oppressed the Roma), we could care less about their complaints.