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> Middle class Germans pay twice as much or more Citation needed. My personal experience paying taxes in both EU/NL and US/TX is that I pay slightly more in th

> Middle class Germans pay twice as much or more Citation needed. My personal experience paying taxes in both EU/NL and US/TX is that I pay slightly more in the US, in pretty much the same situation (family of four, two incomes)

stenl 8y ago
US taxes on average-ish incomes are definitely among the lowest in the OECD (as expected): http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/10/24/among-developed-nations-americans-tax-bills-are-below-average/ http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/10/24/among-develo...
- zizee 8y ago
  > So we chose to focus on a simple measure of tax burden: national-level income taxes plus mandatory social-insurance contributions as a percentage of gross income I am not an American, nor that knowledgeable about their tax system, but my impression is that their system has a lot of layers (like state/county/local), which might make it unfair just to compare national level taxes.
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  - candiodari 8y ago
    Don't forget VAT is double. Property tax is higher. Employment tax (paid by employer, not part of gross pay) is a lot higher. I always feel like tax should be measured in "if my employer pays 100 extra, how much more can I give another company for a good/service". I don't know about US but for Germany the answer is between 25 and 40 depending on how low your income is and what your family situation is.
    - iguy 8y ago
      Right, this is a good measure. The national-level one is just proportion of GDP spent by the government, however they collect it, and IIRC the figures are about 25% in the US, vs. about 45-50% in Germany.
tptacek 8y ago
You don't have to work this out from first principles; varying tax burdens in developed countries is intensively studied, and any analysis angle you come up with has already been come up with, long ago, by professionals paid to analyze this stuff. Germany's middle-class tax burden is significantly higher than that of the US. http://www.oecd.org/newsroom/oecd-tax-rates-on-labour-income-continued-decreasing-slowly-in-2016.htm http://www.oecd.org/newsroom/oecd-tax-rates-on-labour-income...

stenl 8y ago

US taxes on average-ish incomes are definitely among the lowest in the OECD (as expected): http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/10/24/among-developed-nations-americans-tax-bills-are-below-average/ http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/10/24/among-develo...

zizee 8y ago
> So we chose to focus on a simple measure of tax burden: national-level income taxes plus mandatory social-insurance contributions as a percentage of gross income I am not an American, nor that knowledgeable about their tax system, but my impression is that their system has a lot of layers (like state/county/local), which might make it unfair just to compare national level taxes.
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- candiodari 8y ago
  Don't forget VAT is double. Property tax is higher. Employment tax (paid by employer, not part of gross pay) is a lot higher. I always feel like tax should be measured in "if my employer pays 100 extra, how much more can I give another company for a good/service". I don't know about US but for Germany the answer is between 25 and 40 depending on how low your income is and what your family situation is.
  - iguy 8y ago
    Right, this is a good measure. The national-level one is just proportion of GDP spent by the government, however they collect it, and IIRC the figures are about 25% in the US, vs. about 45-50% in Germany.

tptacek 8y ago

You don't have to work this out from first principles; varying tax burdens in developed countries is intensively studied, and any analysis angle you come up with has already been come up with, long ago, by professionals paid to analyze this stuff. Germany's middle-class tax burden is significantly higher than that of the US. http://www.oecd.org/newsroom/oecd-tax-rates-on-labour-income-continued-decreasing-slowly-in-2016.htm http://www.oecd.org/newsroom/oecd-tax-rates-on-labour-income...