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Hans Reiser was, by any account, pretty smart. His journaling filesystem was quite a technological leap over ext2 at the time. Yet he did murder his wife. Some

by Erwin 16y ago

Hans Reiser was, by any account, pretty smart. His journaling filesystem was quite a technological leap over ext2 at the time. Yet he did murder his wife. Some hardcore fans denied his guilt up (some claiming his mild autism was exploited by the prosecution to make him appear guilty) until the very point where he lead the authorities to where he buried the corpse of his wife.

drivebyacct2 16y ago
Wait, you mean they assumed he was innocent until he was proven guilty. That IS shocking. How dare they.
grandalf 16y ago
Do you realize that Assange had nonviolent, consensual sex with those two women and it's only a quirk of the Swedish legal system that the word "rape" being used in relation to the charges against him? Assange's actions would not be a crime under US law, and would by no means be described by anything close to the word rape.
- nollidge 16y ago
  > and it's only a quirk of the Swedish legal system Source? The NYT article says nothing about the legal criteria here.
  - grandalf 16y ago
    http://www.twitlonger.com/show/71lsqt http://www.twitlonger.com/show/71lsqt
    - nollidge 16y ago
      I'm afraid I'm misunderstanding something. I read the whole press release, and see nothing in there about any Swedish legal "quirks" regarding the definition of rape. In fact, it takes the position that Assange's actions have not met any possible definition of rape: "the allegations...do not constitute what any advanced legal system considers to be rape".
      - grandalf 16y ago
        In Sweden, the definition of "rape" is when a woman has any regrets about having had sex. In this case, the women found out Assange had slept with both of them, decided to file the complaint. They have both stated that the sex was consensual.
    - roel_v 16y ago
      So, your authoritative source on the merit of a case is the lawyer of the very same guy who is being accused? I hope you see the error in that.
      - grandalf 16y ago
        There has been coverage of this elsewhere. I didn't have time earlier to find it so I just pasted in the link other had posted which explains the distinction. Assange did not force anyone to have sex or physically violate anyone. Swedish law calls it "rape" when a woman has regrets about sex later on.
        roel_v 16y ago
        "Assange did not force anyone to have sex or physically violate anyone." Well we don't know, do we. You seem to be very certain he didn't, I'm wondering what you're basing that on. It seems like the conspiracy theory is the only 'reason' being given. "Swedish law calls it "rape" when a woman has regrets about sex later on." Right. Do you feel a claim like that passes the smell test? Or do you have any other sources that are not Assange himself or his lawyer? You seem to be referring to one of the articles that basically quotes one of these two, I have yet to see one that actually substantiates this. Furthermore I haven't seen the lawyer say what you are saying, either; he's just claiming that there was no rape, that it was consensual.
        grandalf 16y ago
        I am under the impression that it was revealed by Swedish officials that neither woman claimed that she had been physically assaulted.
        roel_v 16y ago
        That would make it different. However, I have seen a few suggestions on forums in this direction, but no statements in newspapers or similar to this effect. If the prosecutor knows and is convinced that there was no coercion nor deceit, and still presses a case, that I would object to. I have no reason (no even just somewhat 'objective' sources, as in not coming directly from the accused) to believe that this is the case though. Then again I'm not following it any closer than the most prominent articles that make the popular nerd news sites, and a mainstream headline here or there, so it's very well possible that I'm not up to date on all aspects.
gizmomagico 16y ago
And Reiser's case proves that Assange is a rapist, no doubt?

by Erwin 16y ago

drivebyacct2 16y ago

Wait, you mean they assumed he was innocent until he was proven guilty. That IS shocking. How dare they.

grandalf 16y ago

Do you realize that Assange had nonviolent, consensual sex with those two women and it's only a quirk of the Swedish legal system that the word "rape" being used in relation to the charges against him? Assange's actions would not be a crime under US law, and would by no means be described by anything close to the word rape.

nollidge 16y ago
> and it's only a quirk of the Swedish legal system Source? The NYT article says nothing about the legal criteria here.
- grandalf 16y ago
  http://www.twitlonger.com/show/71lsqt http://www.twitlonger.com/show/71lsqt
  - nollidge 16y ago
    I'm afraid I'm misunderstanding something. I read the whole press release, and see nothing in there about any Swedish legal "quirks" regarding the definition of rape. In fact, it takes the position that Assange's actions have not met any possible definition of rape: "the allegations...do not constitute what any advanced legal system considers to be rape".
    - grandalf 16y ago
      In Sweden, the definition of "rape" is when a woman has any regrets about having had sex. In this case, the women found out Assange had slept with both of them, decided to file the complaint. They have both stated that the sex was consensual.
  - roel_v 16y ago
    So, your authoritative source on the merit of a case is the lawyer of the very same guy who is being accused? I hope you see the error in that.
    - grandalf 16y ago
      There has been coverage of this elsewhere. I didn't have time earlier to find it so I just pasted in the link other had posted which explains the distinction. Assange did not force anyone to have sex or physically violate anyone. Swedish law calls it "rape" when a woman has regrets about sex later on.
      - roel_v 16y ago
        "Assange did not force anyone to have sex or physically violate anyone." Well we don't know, do we. You seem to be very certain he didn't, I'm wondering what you're basing that on. It seems like the conspiracy theory is the only 'reason' being given. "Swedish law calls it "rape" when a woman has regrets about sex later on." Right. Do you feel a claim like that passes the smell test? Or do you have any other sources that are not Assange himself or his lawyer? You seem to be referring to one of the articles that basically quotes one of these two, I have yet to see one that actually substantiates this. Furthermore I haven't seen the lawyer say what you are saying, either; he's just claiming that there was no rape, that it was consensual.
        grandalf 16y ago
        I am under the impression that it was revealed by Swedish officials that neither woman claimed that she had been physically assaulted.
        roel_v 16y ago
        That would make it different. However, I have seen a few suggestions on forums in this direction, but no statements in newspapers or similar to this effect. If the prosecutor knows and is convinced that there was no coercion nor deceit, and still presses a case, that I would object to. I have no reason (no even just somewhat 'objective' sources, as in not coming directly from the accused) to believe that this is the case though. Then again I'm not following it any closer than the most prominent articles that make the popular nerd news sites, and a mainstream headline here or there, so it's very well possible that I'm not up to date on all aspects.

gizmomagico 16y ago

And Reiser's case proves that Assange is a rapist, no doubt?