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A domain just for developers! Until it abruptly shuts down Feb 19, 2021. Why would anyone trust Google with something with any kind of long-term requirements as

by _wmd 8y ago

A domain just for developers! Until it abruptly shuts down Feb 19, 2021. Why would anyone trust Google with something with any kind of long-term requirements as important as a name? They should have registered ".chump" instead, because that is really what users of a Google-managed TLD are declaring "Dear VALUED developer, thanks so much for being a part of the .dev experiment! After a long hard period of staring at our shoes, we realized we cannot extract sufficient value from our users in this manner. As of midnight, your name will automatically be migrated to our newer, better, faster TLD, .plus, the future of the open web"

lazyjones 8y ago
A TLD "with benefits" from Google is a money-printing press. While Google has a certain track record, this makes it rather unlikely for them to discontinue it in the near future.
gkoberger 8y ago
I mean, I get your point, but I think this is a meme exclusive to HN. Other than Google Reader, there really isn't much Google has shut down without having a newer, better product you can transition to. When it comes to something like this (AKA not a consumer product, makes money, relatively easy to run, etc), I genuinely can't see them shutting down a TLD like this. If anything, the complaint should be the lack of official support you should probably expect for it.
- bhartzer 8y ago
  Tlds generally won’t be shut down and can’t be shut down.
- dpwm 8y ago
  Google Wave shut down without a replacement google service. [0] Google code shut down without a replacement google service. [1] Google plus is shutting down too. [2] [0] https://support.google.com/answer/1083134?hl=en https://support.google.com/answer/1083134?hl=en [1] https://opensource.googleblog.com/2015/03/farewell-to-google-code.html https://opensource.googleblog.com/2015/03/farewell-to-google... [2] https://support.google.com/plus/answer/9195133?hl=en https://support.google.com/plus/answer/9195133?hl=en
  - deleted 8y ago
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  - byuu 8y ago
    Also, can I add Google Code Search? That thing was such an incredibly valuable resource for figuring out how to work around inane edge cases in eg GTK. Just search for the function that's giving you issues, and find a dozen projects with extensive comments describing their workarounds.
  - xur17 8y ago
    Google Inbox is about to close in a month or two.
- thaumaturgy 8y ago
  You may've missed the recent news on Google Fiber pulling out of Louisville (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19106998 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19106998) as well as Google Plus shutting down. Some folks make a hobby out of the stuff Google spins up and then abandons: https://killedbygoogle.com https://killedbygoogle.com
  - dreamcompiler 8y ago
    This is an amazing list. It might not be 100% fair since a few products got replaced with something better, but I think most didn't. Fundamentally, Google is just an advertising company that happens to employ very smart people. If you go to work for Google, you have to understand from the outset that you're working for an advertising company and you're not going to change the world. You might be allowed to work on a fun project, but if it doesn't directly serve the needs of advertising it will be shut down. But hey, it'll look good on your resume.
- detritus 8y ago
  The 'Google Graveyard' meme is known far and wide beyond HN - I'm a long time member on a [n ostensibly] design-focused forum where it's been a long time running gag (of the acerbic kind) too.
bhartzer 8y ago
Yeah, that won’t happen. Even if a registry goes out of business the domains and tlds will still resolve, most likely operated by another registry.
gipp 8y ago
Somebody makes this post on every HN thread involving Google now. But the three big public deprecations I'm aware of are Reader, Inbox, and G+. All consumer products. All the other stuff on that killed by Google site is stuff I've barely even heard of, and all consumer products. To my knowledge, no major GCP component has ever been deprecated. Am I missing something? This seems like it has just become a groupthink HN meme at this point.
- ebg13 8y ago
  > But the three big public deprecations I'm aware of are Reader, Inbox, and G+. Google Code. Also Wave and half a dozen chat apps, but Code was a serious one that broke a lot of the developer web.
  - treis 8y ago
    >Google Code. Also Wave and half a dozen chat apps, but Code was a serious one that broke a lot of the developer web. What did it break?
    - Arnt 8y ago
      It hosted repos, and broke links to those repos and links within them. It also broke processes that relied on the repo, e.g. automatic issue creation in CI, but that's less serious. URLs that change without good reason are a PITA.
      - rrdharan 8y ago
        They have a process for setting up redirects. They also provide read only access to all public code AIUI: https://code.google.com/archive/about https://code.google.com/archive/about
        ebg13 8y ago
        Setting up a redirect works if you are the administrator of the project...and are still alive. Migrating a project was simple if it didn't have a wiki. There are a lot of details that caused some real headaches. I remember it being like a mini Y2k at the time, and there's no telling how much we just collectively lost from it.
chomp 8y ago
I don't think this is a huge concern - at least ICANN has the power to designate a successor registry, and I guarantee someone will break down the doors trying to get that particular gtld.
- bhartzer 8y ago
  Yeah it will never happen. As long as you pay the registration fee you won’t lose your domain even if the registry goes bankrupt.
z3t4 8y ago
Domains will be useful for Google search ...

by _wmd 8y ago

lazyjones 8y ago

A TLD "with benefits" from Google is a money-printing press. While Google has a certain track record, this makes it rather unlikely for them to discontinue it in the near future.

gkoberger 8y ago

I mean, I get your point, but I think this is a meme exclusive to HN. Other than Google Reader, there really isn't much Google has shut down without having a newer, better product you can transition to. When it comes to something like this (AKA not a consumer product, makes money, relatively easy to run, etc), I genuinely can't see them shutting down a TLD like this. If anything, the complaint should be the lack of official support you should probably expect for it.

bhartzer 8y ago
Tlds generally won’t be shut down and can’t be shut down.
dpwm 8y ago
Google Wave shut down without a replacement google service. [0] Google code shut down without a replacement google service. [1] Google plus is shutting down too. [2] [0] https://support.google.com/answer/1083134?hl=en https://support.google.com/answer/1083134?hl=en [1] https://opensource.googleblog.com/2015/03/farewell-to-google-code.html https://opensource.googleblog.com/2015/03/farewell-to-google... [2] https://support.google.com/plus/answer/9195133?hl=en https://support.google.com/plus/answer/9195133?hl=en
- deleted 8y ago
  [deleted]
- byuu 8y ago
  Also, can I add Google Code Search? That thing was such an incredibly valuable resource for figuring out how to work around inane edge cases in eg GTK. Just search for the function that's giving you issues, and find a dozen projects with extensive comments describing their workarounds.
- xur17 8y ago
  Google Inbox is about to close in a month or two.
thaumaturgy 8y ago
You may've missed the recent news on Google Fiber pulling out of Louisville (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19106998 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19106998) as well as Google Plus shutting down. Some folks make a hobby out of the stuff Google spins up and then abandons: https://killedbygoogle.com https://killedbygoogle.com
- dreamcompiler 8y ago
  This is an amazing list. It might not be 100% fair since a few products got replaced with something better, but I think most didn't. Fundamentally, Google is just an advertising company that happens to employ very smart people. If you go to work for Google, you have to understand from the outset that you're working for an advertising company and you're not going to change the world. You might be allowed to work on a fun project, but if it doesn't directly serve the needs of advertising it will be shut down. But hey, it'll look good on your resume.
detritus 8y ago
The 'Google Graveyard' meme is known far and wide beyond HN - I'm a long time member on a [n ostensibly] design-focused forum where it's been a long time running gag (of the acerbic kind) too.

bhartzer 8y ago

Yeah, that won’t happen. Even if a registry goes out of business the domains and tlds will still resolve, most likely operated by another registry.

gipp 8y ago

Somebody makes this post on every HN thread involving Google now. But the three big public deprecations I'm aware of are Reader, Inbox, and G+. All consumer products. All the other stuff on that killed by Google site is stuff I've barely even heard of, and all consumer products. To my knowledge, no major GCP component has ever been deprecated. Am I missing something? This seems like it has just become a groupthink HN meme at this point.

ebg13 8y ago
> But the three big public deprecations I'm aware of are Reader, Inbox, and G+. Google Code. Also Wave and half a dozen chat apps, but Code was a serious one that broke a lot of the developer web.
- treis 8y ago
  >Google Code. Also Wave and half a dozen chat apps, but Code was a serious one that broke a lot of the developer web. What did it break?
  - Arnt 8y ago
    It hosted repos, and broke links to those repos and links within them. It also broke processes that relied on the repo, e.g. automatic issue creation in CI, but that's less serious. URLs that change without good reason are a PITA.
    - rrdharan 8y ago
      They have a process for setting up redirects. They also provide read only access to all public code AIUI: https://code.google.com/archive/about https://code.google.com/archive/about
      - ebg13 8y ago
        Setting up a redirect works if you are the administrator of the project...and are still alive. Migrating a project was simple if it didn't have a wiki. There are a lot of details that caused some real headaches. I remember it being like a mini Y2k at the time, and there's no telling how much we just collectively lost from it.

chomp 8y ago

I don't think this is a huge concern - at least ICANN has the power to designate a successor registry, and I guarantee someone will break down the doors trying to get that particular gtld.

bhartzer 8y ago
Yeah it will never happen. As long as you pay the registration fee you won’t lose your domain even if the registry goes bankrupt.

z3t4 8y ago

Domains will be useful for Google search ...