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Besides the usual disregard decency let's HSTS preload a TLD people have been using for local development for decades... This is terrible gatekeeping and I hop

Besides the usual disregard decency let's HSTS preload a TLD people have been using for local development for decades... This is terrible gatekeeping and I hope Google perishes soon. Wow. I can't get over how fucking dumb this is. This is the mark of a corporation filled with people that thinks putting a price tag on supposedly scarce good early will deter bad actors. Clearly everyone who thought this up has way too much money in their account.

ocdtrekkie 8y ago
Yes, this, though I really am disappointed in ICANN here. ICANN should not have sold a TLD known to be in heavy use already. Their desire for cash from this process seems to have overwhelmed their good sense in managing the domain system.
- pexaizix 8y ago
  Yeah, well. That's got nothing to do with .dev. All the new TLDs are fucking dumb. Just a cash grab for the ICANN. Might as well get rid of TLDs altogether.
  - bhartzer 8y ago
    Honestly I don’t think it’s a cash grab for icann. There are plenty of registries that are making plenty of money, as well as domain owners selling the domains in the aftermarket. The reason the new tlds were needed is the lack of options for buying a new domain. I know plenty of smaller biz and startups who couldn’t get the dot com they wanted and ended up choosing a really good keyword rich new tld.
    - pexaizix 8y ago
      To me potato.app is as sketchy and shitty as getpotato.com. They simply say "I wanted to buy potato.com but I couldn't"
      - ocdtrekkie 8y ago
        Is steampowered.com sketchy? Even incredibly large companies often can't get the domains they want because they were bought twenty years ago by some Joe Schmo.
        Spivak 8y ago
        steampowered.com is super sketchy. It's just that most people use the Steam client and it's been around enough time for it to sink in. Like if an app tried to register apppowered.com it would definitely hurt its image. Obviously massive players are above the rules somewhat.
    - luckylion 8y ago
      > Honestly I don’t think it’s a cash grab for icann. Wasn't it $10k upfront to have your application for a new gTLD considered? This times ~1200 ... works out quiet good.
      - bhartzer 8y ago
        The application fee for a new tld is $185,000 not $10,000.
        luckylion 8y ago
        Oh, thanks, I must've had something else in mind. So it's a ~$220m deal for ICANN.
- toyg 8y ago
  Their desire for cash is the only reason this process exists in the first place. The “old” tlds were perfectly fine as they were.
fastball 8y ago
If you've been using .dev for local development, that means you've either been setting it in your hosts or using your own DNS server until now, which you can continue to do with a .dev TLD.
- jtreminio 8y ago
  Chrome requires an SSL certificate for all .dev hostnames.
  - delinka 8y ago
    if you have the technical savvy to be using .dev before the Google deployment, you have the technical savvy to install an additional root cert for use with Chrome.
    - sascha_sl 8y ago
      What about internal use in organizations? Sorry but this is pure malice by Google. I can invert this argument by saying if you're buying a .dev domain you have the technical savvy to get on an HSTS preload list, except you haven't broken anyone's workflow. EDIT: And I mean... have you USED openssl's x509 toolchain? That's a few steps up from editing the hostsfile.
      - fastball 8y ago
        Editing the hosts file isn't a solution for internal use in organizations. If it's just you, editing your hosts file, switch to .local or whatever. There was always a chance when using a "local" domain (which isn't actually some sort of standard) that such a TLD could be created in the future. If it's for an organization, create the root cert, and have that be one of the steps users need to take in order to access the dev site. Or just switch to .local or .test or .whatever. I've been using .dev as a local test environment for years too, but I'd prefer to have more TLD options available and just switch to .local or .test because I'm not averse to change.
taf2 8y ago
Wow we migrated our local development 5 or 6 years ago off of .dev, just buy a real domain and set its dns to localhost.

ocdtrekkie 8y ago

Yes, this, though I really am disappointed in ICANN here. ICANN should not have sold a TLD known to be in heavy use already. Their desire for cash from this process seems to have overwhelmed their good sense in managing the domain system.

pexaizix 8y ago
Yeah, well. That's got nothing to do with .dev. All the new TLDs are fucking dumb. Just a cash grab for the ICANN. Might as well get rid of TLDs altogether.
- bhartzer 8y ago
  Honestly I don’t think it’s a cash grab for icann. There are plenty of registries that are making plenty of money, as well as domain owners selling the domains in the aftermarket. The reason the new tlds were needed is the lack of options for buying a new domain. I know plenty of smaller biz and startups who couldn’t get the dot com they wanted and ended up choosing a really good keyword rich new tld.
  - pexaizix 8y ago
    To me potato.app is as sketchy and shitty as getpotato.com. They simply say "I wanted to buy potato.com but I couldn't"
    - ocdtrekkie 8y ago
      Is steampowered.com sketchy? Even incredibly large companies often can't get the domains they want because they were bought twenty years ago by some Joe Schmo.
      - Spivak 8y ago
        steampowered.com is super sketchy. It's just that most people use the Steam client and it's been around enough time for it to sink in. Like if an app tried to register apppowered.com it would definitely hurt its image. Obviously massive players are above the rules somewhat.
  - luckylion 8y ago
    > Honestly I don’t think it’s a cash grab for icann. Wasn't it $10k upfront to have your application for a new gTLD considered? This times ~1200 ... works out quiet good.
    - bhartzer 8y ago
      The application fee for a new tld is $185,000 not $10,000.
      - luckylion 8y ago
        Oh, thanks, I must've had something else in mind. So it's a ~$220m deal for ICANN.
toyg 8y ago
Their desire for cash is the only reason this process exists in the first place. The “old” tlds were perfectly fine as they were.

fastball 8y ago

If you've been using .dev for local development, that means you've either been setting it in your hosts or using your own DNS server until now, which you can continue to do with a .dev TLD.

jtreminio 8y ago
Chrome requires an SSL certificate for all .dev hostnames.
- delinka 8y ago
  if you have the technical savvy to be using .dev before the Google deployment, you have the technical savvy to install an additional root cert for use with Chrome.
  - sascha_sl 8y ago
    What about internal use in organizations? Sorry but this is pure malice by Google. I can invert this argument by saying if you're buying a .dev domain you have the technical savvy to get on an HSTS preload list, except you haven't broken anyone's workflow. EDIT: And I mean... have you USED openssl's x509 toolchain? That's a few steps up from editing the hostsfile.
    - fastball 8y ago
      Editing the hosts file isn't a solution for internal use in organizations. If it's just you, editing your hosts file, switch to .local or whatever. There was always a chance when using a "local" domain (which isn't actually some sort of standard) that such a TLD could be created in the future. If it's for an organization, create the root cert, and have that be one of the steps users need to take in order to access the dev site. Or just switch to .local or .test or .whatever. I've been using .dev as a local test environment for years too, but I'd prefer to have more TLD options available and just switch to .local or .test because I'm not averse to change.

taf2 8y ago

Wow we migrated our local development 5 or 6 years ago off of .dev, just buy a real domain and set its dns to localhost.