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I think it's okay to want to do that. Yes, I don't want anybody spying on me, but as someone who's neither from the US nor China, I'd much rather choose to have

I think it's okay to want to do that. Yes, I don't want anybody spying on me, but as someone who's neither from the US nor China, I'd much rather choose to have the NSA/etc have access to my data than the Chinese.

hopler 8y ago
It depends if you are American or Chinese, really. Local authorities are more dangerous than remote authorities
AnanasAttack 8y ago
>I'd much rather ... How can you be sure that the NSA is any better than the chinese?
- tiredyam 8y ago
  US at least gives concerned citizens a framework in which to enact change, with China there is no such framework. Free speech on the internet in China is non-existent. You will not get censored in the US (or internationally) due to anti-American rhetoric. Sure there are currently flaws, but I am confident we can improve as humans in figuring out more meaningful ways to share our thoughts online. I said this in another comment, but I will repeat it here; better the demon you know than the demon you don’t. With the preliminary data we have with the treatment of Chinese nationals living abroad, particularly in HK and Taiwan, and the continued rhetoric implying jurisdiction over all Chinese nationals worldwide, I don’t care to see what that world looks like.
  - thefounder 8y ago
    What makes you think US will give you the same? U.S supports dicators and criminals as well(i.e in Saudi Arabia). It gives them weapons and inteligence. I think it's already clear that it's America First and democracy, freedom and the good stuff somewhere on the 2nd, 3rd or 4th place. If North Korea would become U.S's ally against China, Kim would be presented(by US) as a strong man and the rightfull leader for NK people(i.e like MBS in SA) You better make sure you don't have to choose between any of them (U.S or China). Get better relations with your neighbours and try to rely less on super powers(i.e US, China, Russia)
    - tiredyam 8y ago
      What makes me think that the US will give me a framework to enact change? They already do. You can freely discuss what you are currently discussing because of this framework. You are currently using it. Enjoy it, don't take it for granted
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luckylion 8y ago
Why though? We don't know what the Chinese will do, but we're somewhat informed what the US will. Sure: the Chinese might be much worse. But they might also not be. So far, I haven't heard of intensive drone usage by the Chinese to bomb weddings half way around the world.
- tiredyam 8y ago
  Better the demon you know than the demon you don’t. China has frequently implied jurisdiction of any Chinese national inside or outside its borders. Giving them more international data is a scary thought for me
  - adinobro 8y ago
    As an Australian living in China one of the things that annoys me is that I have to provide all of my Australian bank accounts and investment accounts with my Chinese tax file number. I also have to tell my Chinese banks my Chinese tax file number. This only started 2/3 years ago. This isn't for the Chinese government or the Australian government. This is for the American government because of the FACTA law. The US government wants to have jurisdiction of everyone ... just in case you might be an American not paying taxes.
    - tiredyam 8y ago
      that’s a fair grievance. At least in the current world you can raise those concerns publicly without being censored. You can raise awareness and organize individuals to enact change. I fear that given chinas love for internet censorship that would not be the case if your government gets too cozy with Chinese telecom.
    - owens99 8y ago
      Starting this year it will be for China. Not sure if you heard, but now all foreigners who live in China more than 6 months a year will have to pay tax on their global income.
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hopler 8y ago

It depends if you are American or Chinese, really. Local authorities are more dangerous than remote authorities

AnanasAttack 8y ago

>I'd much rather ... How can you be sure that the NSA is any better than the chinese?

tiredyam 8y ago
US at least gives concerned citizens a framework in which to enact change, with China there is no such framework. Free speech on the internet in China is non-existent. You will not get censored in the US (or internationally) due to anti-American rhetoric. Sure there are currently flaws, but I am confident we can improve as humans in figuring out more meaningful ways to share our thoughts online. I said this in another comment, but I will repeat it here; better the demon you know than the demon you don’t. With the preliminary data we have with the treatment of Chinese nationals living abroad, particularly in HK and Taiwan, and the continued rhetoric implying jurisdiction over all Chinese nationals worldwide, I don’t care to see what that world looks like.
- thefounder 8y ago
  What makes you think US will give you the same? U.S supports dicators and criminals as well(i.e in Saudi Arabia). It gives them weapons and inteligence. I think it's already clear that it's America First and democracy, freedom and the good stuff somewhere on the 2nd, 3rd or 4th place. If North Korea would become U.S's ally against China, Kim would be presented(by US) as a strong man and the rightfull leader for NK people(i.e like MBS in SA) You better make sure you don't have to choose between any of them (U.S or China). Get better relations with your neighbours and try to rely less on super powers(i.e US, China, Russia)
  - tiredyam 8y ago
    What makes me think that the US will give me a framework to enact change? They already do. You can freely discuss what you are currently discussing because of this framework. You are currently using it. Enjoy it, don't take it for granted
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luckylion 8y ago

Why though? We don't know what the Chinese will do, but we're somewhat informed what the US will. Sure: the Chinese might be much worse. But they might also not be. So far, I haven't heard of intensive drone usage by the Chinese to bomb weddings half way around the world.

tiredyam 8y ago
Better the demon you know than the demon you don’t. China has frequently implied jurisdiction of any Chinese national inside or outside its borders. Giving them more international data is a scary thought for me
- adinobro 8y ago
  As an Australian living in China one of the things that annoys me is that I have to provide all of my Australian bank accounts and investment accounts with my Chinese tax file number. I also have to tell my Chinese banks my Chinese tax file number. This only started 2/3 years ago. This isn't for the Chinese government or the Australian government. This is for the American government because of the FACTA law. The US government wants to have jurisdiction of everyone ... just in case you might be an American not paying taxes.
  - tiredyam 8y ago
    that’s a fair grievance. At least in the current world you can raise those concerns publicly without being censored. You can raise awareness and organize individuals to enact change. I fear that given chinas love for internet censorship that would not be the case if your government gets too cozy with Chinese telecom.
  - owens99 8y ago
    Starting this year it will be for China. Not sure if you heard, but now all foreigners who live in China more than 6 months a year will have to pay tax on their global income.
    - 8y ago