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> You can't actually "make a mark" on a particle Yes, of course. That was loose wording for "affect a particle a way that is meaningful", i.e. prepare it. :)
by tbabb 8y ago
> You can't actually "make a mark" on a particle
Yes, of course. That was loose wording for "affect a particle a way that is meaningful", i.e. prepare it. :)
> "But that's cheating!" you say. "I want the flip to be random."
Actually, no, I'd rather the bit be useful!
> If you flip a coin with enough precision you can make it come up reliably on one side or the other.
Sure, if I know enough about the universe at some moment in time, by unitarity, I know its state at all other times. Having enough information to run the laws of physics forward to compute the outcome of the 2020 super bowl coin flip isn't much different, then, than running them backward to get the 2019 flip (and just as impractical). But what is interesting is that I could correlate (say) the spin of an electron with the result of the flip and read it later to tell what the flip was, but not earlier to tell what the flip will be.
(Obviously information about the past coin flip is available in many more places than just in my prepared particle, but I don't need anything more than that one qubit to precisely know the result. That's a big difference from needing to know everything in the coin's past light cone! )
If we peel away the human-imposed notions of time and causality (as you do in your article), and see spacetime as a "block" with microscopic time symmetry, or perhaps even further dismantled into only basis states of Hilbert space, it's still obscure to me why particles-- even individual ones-- seem to "carry" information only from the past and not from the future.
On an intuitive level it seems perfectly natural. On the level of (time-symmetrical) fundamental physics, I can't pin down why it would be.
- lisper 8y ago> That was loose wording for "affect a particle a way that is meaningful", i.e. prepare it. :) Yes, but these details matter. Preparing a particle in a quantum state is fundamentally different from making an identifying mark on a classical object. > > If you flip a coin with enough precision you can make it come up reliably on one side or the other. > Sure, if I know enough about the universe at some moment in time, by unitarity, I know its state at all other times. That's not what I meant. I'm not talking about trying to measure the state of the coin and the flipping apparatus in order to predict the outcome, I'm talking about building a precision flipping apparatus that allows you to control the outcome. > I could correlate (say) the spin of an electron with the result of the flip and read it later to tell what the flip was, but not earlier to tell what the flip will be. Actually, you can do both, and the procedures are essentially identical: to do the former, you look at the coin and manipulate the electron state to match. To do the latter you look at the electron and manipulate the state of the coin to match. Easy-peasy. Is that not what you wanted? If not, why? (Remember that when I suggested you would want the coin flip to be random, you denied it.)