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Internet Privacy: Federal Authority Could Enhance Consumer Protection [pdf]

87 points by jdmark 8y ago

bdibs 8y ago
This doesn't look like legislation, it's just a report to tell congress that they should consider developing legislation.
- jsilence 8y ago
  Yes, exactly as the title indicated with the phrase "proposed to lawmakers". Whats your point?
  - omeid2 8y ago
    It is possible to read the title as to mean that the link will contain the actual "proposed legislation" rather than the "recommendation" for such legislation.
  - eli 8y ago
    People "propose things to lawmakers" all the time; that's not particularly interesting. The linked report is interesting because the GAO does a nice nonpartisan analysis of the issue.
Hamuko 8y ago
But apparently GDPR ruined the Internet, so surely the US would never do something like that.
- anticensor 8y ago
  GDPA may be 10x as effective as GDPR if it is drafted correctly.
- stephenson 8y ago
  There are positive and negative impacts of GDPR. Yes, poorly implemented consent is annoying, but forcing companies to use time and energy on privacy is super positive. I have spent the last nine months in a few different co-working spaces here in Denmark, and all startups there have informed and essential conversations about handling users data. Just a few years ago that would never have been a topic. For me that's a very positive change.
  - StavrosK 8y ago
    I am no longer afraid of entering contests that ask for my email address, as the GDPR means that they can't spam me with their crap afterwards. To me, the GDPR has been extremely positive so far, and I don't consider having to think about the privacy of the users of my apps a bad thing (I was doing it anyway). Article 13, on the other hand, can go fuck itself.
    - kjar 8y ago
      do you care to elaborate without expletives?
      - StavrosK 8y ago
        This is pretty illuminating and expletive-free: https://juliareda.eu/2019/02/eu-copyright-final-text/ https://juliareda.eu/2019/02/eu-copyright-final-text/
    - Mirioron 8y ago
      Why do you think you can trust the people that handle the data just because it's illegal to do something in Europe? If the entity running the website or handling the data is outside of EU jurisdiction then they can take all of your data and there would be no repercussions for them. It's also possible that you agree in some step to having your data used or your data falls under one of the exceptions. GDPR is feel-good legislation first and foremost.
      - StavrosK 8y ago
        > Why do you think you can trust the people that handle the data just because it's illegal to do something in Europe? Why do you think you can trust people not to do illegal things just because they're illegal? > GDPR is feel-good legislation first and foremost I guess that's true, I do feel pretty good about it.
        Mirioron 8y ago
roblabla 8y ago
Awesome, maybe now all those news website blocking European IPs will instead fix their stupid tracking. I can't wait to see how many dark patterns they will use to force the user to "consent".
- Mirioron 8y ago
  Why would it change anything? Unless it's close to 100% compatible with GDPR it won't help. The reason sites are blocking Europe is that serving content to European users is too great of a liability compared to the amount of money they make. Unless the US one has basically the same terms, that liability is still going to be there.
jbottoms 8y ago
Once again the U.S. has been caught on the back foot. We are late in responding to GDPR and by now the scope has changed. The real issue is that there is no regulatory body for the protocols of the 4th Industrial Revolution. Market driven responses develop slowly, and in the meantime the various competitive solutions will turn the marketplace into a spaghetti junction. We still don't have an eCoin, no direction on the potential issues with Blockchain, the web is, and continues to be leaky and DARPA is dragging their heels in spite of being offered solutions. Currently the Web has over 3000 specifications, and the corporations behind the W3c want to maintain control rather than working toward solutions. Meantime, our friends toward the far East are better organized, and are working toward control. This is path-dependent work and whoever controls next-gen ecommerce will maintain command of commerce for a long time. We're in trouble, and the Academy appears to be incapable of finding a solution. Treating GDPR is working on the symptoms rather than addressing the root causes. It's time to wake the f*ck up! --John Bottoms, inventor of the browser

87 points by jdmark 8y ago

This doesn't look like legislation, it's just a report to tell congress that they should consider developing legislation.

jsilence 8y ago
Yes, exactly as the title indicated with the phrase "proposed to lawmakers". Whats your point?
- omeid2 8y ago
  It is possible to read the title as to mean that the link will contain the actual "proposed legislation" rather than the "recommendation" for such legislation.
- eli 8y ago
  People "propose things to lawmakers" all the time; that's not particularly interesting. The linked report is interesting because the GAO does a nice nonpartisan analysis of the issue.

Hamuko 8y ago

But apparently GDPR ruined the Internet, so surely the US would never do something like that.

anticensor 8y ago
GDPA may be 10x as effective as GDPR if it is drafted correctly.
stephenson 8y ago
There are positive and negative impacts of GDPR. Yes, poorly implemented consent is annoying, but forcing companies to use time and energy on privacy is super positive. I have spent the last nine months in a few different co-working spaces here in Denmark, and all startups there have informed and essential conversations about handling users data. Just a few years ago that would never have been a topic. For me that's a very positive change.
- StavrosK 8y ago
  I am no longer afraid of entering contests that ask for my email address, as the GDPR means that they can't spam me with their crap afterwards. To me, the GDPR has been extremely positive so far, and I don't consider having to think about the privacy of the users of my apps a bad thing (I was doing it anyway). Article 13, on the other hand, can go fuck itself.
  - kjar 8y ago
    do you care to elaborate without expletives?
    - StavrosK 8y ago
      This is pretty illuminating and expletive-free: https://juliareda.eu/2019/02/eu-copyright-final-text/ https://juliareda.eu/2019/02/eu-copyright-final-text/
  - Mirioron 8y ago
    Why do you think you can trust the people that handle the data just because it's illegal to do something in Europe? If the entity running the website or handling the data is outside of EU jurisdiction then they can take all of your data and there would be no repercussions for them. It's also possible that you agree in some step to having your data used or your data falls under one of the exceptions. GDPR is feel-good legislation first and foremost.
    - StavrosK 8y ago
      > Why do you think you can trust the people that handle the data just because it's illegal to do something in Europe? Why do you think you can trust people not to do illegal things just because they're illegal? > GDPR is feel-good legislation first and foremost I guess that's true, I do feel pretty good about it.
      - Mirioron 8y ago

roblabla 8y ago

Awesome, maybe now all those news website blocking European IPs will instead fix their stupid tracking. I can't wait to see how many dark patterns they will use to force the user to "consent".

Mirioron 8y ago
Why would it change anything? Unless it's close to 100% compatible with GDPR it won't help. The reason sites are blocking Europe is that serving content to European users is too great of a liability compared to the amount of money they make. Unless the US one has basically the same terms, that liability is still going to be there.

jbottoms 8y ago

Once again the U.S. has been caught on the back foot. We are late in responding to GDPR and by now the scope has changed. The real issue is that there is no regulatory body for the protocols of the 4th Industrial Revolution. Market driven responses develop slowly, and in the meantime the various competitive solutions will turn the marketplace into a spaghetti junction. We still don't have an eCoin, no direction on the potential issues with Blockchain, the web is, and continues to be leaky and DARPA is dragging their heels in spite of being offered solutions. Currently the Web has over 3000 specifications, and the corporations behind the W3c want to maintain control rather than working toward solutions. Meantime, our friends toward the far East are better organized, and are working toward control. This is path-dependent work and whoever controls next-gen ecommerce will maintain command of commerce for a long time. We're in trouble, and the Academy appears to be incapable of finding a solution. Treating GDPR is working on the symptoms rather than addressing the root causes. It's time to wake the f*ck up! --John Bottoms, inventor of the browser