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Yes, a company that is not willing to pay their interns a salary (which is usually rather small), probably should not offer any internship positions at all. Th

by anyfoo 8y ago

Yes, a company that is not willing to pay their interns a salary (which is usually rather small), probably should not offer any internship positions at all. The only legitimate reason that comes to mind is that they actually cannot afford to pay the intern. In which case, they really should not offer any internship positions at all.

ttoinou 8y ago
Or you could imagine that they don't have a cash flow yet, but they could offer training in exchange of salary. Why try to regulate a number ? Salaried jobs and internship are not only about money.
- anyfoo 8y ago
  I don't think that a company that is so early that it does not even have enough cash flow yet to pay an intern is well equipped, and has much incentive, to train interns. I mean, seriously now. Do you think an executive in a company that's that new and/or that strapped for cash is going to sit there one day and think "You know what's on top of my mind right now? Training an intern, showing them the ropes, offering them some quality career experience!" My guess is that it's more along the lines of "Man, I really wish I had some cheap labor right now".
  - ttoinou 8y ago
    Not all company are deemed to be unicorn. You know, you could just try to create a decent business bringing decent income, and beginning by exchanging what you know to students / young adults / dropped out is a good start if you like that path. I would certainly do it if I find the right people to train, and I would have loved it to have a serious mentor earlier in my life in this way. No one here can judge or make decision for others there's so much things in life that to pretend otherwise seems silly. EDIT : actually, now that I think of it, I know a friend who did exactly that. He even said to me that he preferred this unpaid internship to the one he got one year later, paid, but bad environment and no mentorship.
stale2002 8y ago
Ok, now what if I don't care about your opinion that they "should not offer any internship positions at all" and want to take the job anyway? There are definitely points in my life where I would definitely tell someone who had an opinion like yours to go F themselves, because I want do make decisions for myself, and not have someone else get in the way of my own consenting decisions.
- anyfoo 8y ago
  Driving 180mph in a residential area is not permitted in most jurisdictions. You can decide not to care about the opinion of the legislative bodies that came up with those rule (and tell them to "go F themselves"). You can be the best driver and 100% certain that driving 180mph at this particular moment does not pose any danger. If you get caught, you are still in serious trouble. The reason is simply that people have determined that, in most cases, driving 180mph in a residential area is not a good idea. Most probable situations where it might be a good idea, e.g. if you are doing it while driving an ambulance, are already accounted for. Not every such situation is covered by an exception, but the alternative of letting people drive 180mph in residential areas and sort it out for themselves does not work out. If you want to live outside of society, in an anarchy where anything goes as long as two parties consent to it, you're free to move to there.
  - stale2002 8y ago
    > Driving 180mph in a residential area This is because it has a large chance of hurting people around you. not because it would hurt the individual. > If you get caught, you are still in serious trouble. No, actually. You will not get in legal trouble for accepting an unpaid internship. My point being that your opinion is extremely patronizing, and that maybe you should let people decide for themselves what jobs that do or do not want to accept. This is an especially important concept to understand, when the people that you are trying to "protect" tell you that they do not want your "protection", which involves trying to prevent them from accepting jobs that they want.
    - anyfoo 8y ago

by anyfoo 8y ago

ttoinou 8y ago

Or you could imagine that they don't have a cash flow yet, but they could offer training in exchange of salary. Why try to regulate a number ? Salaried jobs and internship are not only about money.

anyfoo 8y ago
I don't think that a company that is so early that it does not even have enough cash flow yet to pay an intern is well equipped, and has much incentive, to train interns. I mean, seriously now. Do you think an executive in a company that's that new and/or that strapped for cash is going to sit there one day and think "You know what's on top of my mind right now? Training an intern, showing them the ropes, offering them some quality career experience!" My guess is that it's more along the lines of "Man, I really wish I had some cheap labor right now".
- ttoinou 8y ago
  Not all company are deemed to be unicorn. You know, you could just try to create a decent business bringing decent income, and beginning by exchanging what you know to students / young adults / dropped out is a good start if you like that path. I would certainly do it if I find the right people to train, and I would have loved it to have a serious mentor earlier in my life in this way. No one here can judge or make decision for others there's so much things in life that to pretend otherwise seems silly. EDIT : actually, now that I think of it, I know a friend who did exactly that. He even said to me that he preferred this unpaid internship to the one he got one year later, paid, but bad environment and no mentorship.

stale2002 8y ago

Ok, now what if I don't care about your opinion that they "should not offer any internship positions at all" and want to take the job anyway? There are definitely points in my life where I would definitely tell someone who had an opinion like yours to go F themselves, because I want do make decisions for myself, and not have someone else get in the way of my own consenting decisions.

anyfoo 8y ago
Driving 180mph in a residential area is not permitted in most jurisdictions. You can decide not to care about the opinion of the legislative bodies that came up with those rule (and tell them to "go F themselves"). You can be the best driver and 100% certain that driving 180mph at this particular moment does not pose any danger. If you get caught, you are still in serious trouble. The reason is simply that people have determined that, in most cases, driving 180mph in a residential area is not a good idea. Most probable situations where it might be a good idea, e.g. if you are doing it while driving an ambulance, are already accounted for. Not every such situation is covered by an exception, but the alternative of letting people drive 180mph in residential areas and sort it out for themselves does not work out. If you want to live outside of society, in an anarchy where anything goes as long as two parties consent to it, you're free to move to there.
- stale2002 8y ago
  > Driving 180mph in a residential area This is because it has a large chance of hurting people around you. not because it would hurt the individual. > If you get caught, you are still in serious trouble. No, actually. You will not get in legal trouble for accepting an unpaid internship. My point being that your opinion is extremely patronizing, and that maybe you should let people decide for themselves what jobs that do or do not want to accept. This is an especially important concept to understand, when the people that you are trying to "protect" tell you that they do not want your "protection", which involves trying to prevent them from accepting jobs that they want.
  - anyfoo 8y ago