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Censorship seems to be coming from the left. I think it makes sense for everybody to maintain as much privacy from .gov as possible.

eropple 8y ago
So...you are aware that "saying that makes you an asshole" and "you can't say that" are different things, yes?
- robotrout 8y ago
  Attacks on free speech in USA and Europe have nothing to do with offensive language and everything to do with control. Be careful what precedents you set and what things you celebrate. Pendulums swing. Are you referring to this? I don't think anybody tried to censor her for this, even though it was incredibly offensive. https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/tlaib-going-to-impeach-motherfucker https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/tlaib-going-to-impeach-mo...
  - Krasnol 8y ago
    And here we go with the currently popular victim game which also brings the famous "censorship vs. moderation" trope and the "das wird man doch wohl noch sagen dürfen" classic. Please...this is ridiculous. Nobody falls for that besides the right wingers themselves. Nobody wants the right circle jerk in their comment section. The same way the right doesn't want any criticism of their behavior within their own bubble portals.
    - afiori 8y ago
      both the left and the right are in a bubble. Generally speaking assume that between your in-group there are as many bad people as in your out-group. It is hard to make example that would not further polarize this thread, but I can promise you that the same intolerance and bubbles are present on both side of the political spectrum (for sure in the US, even if I live in Germany now I don't know much about this country...)
      - Krasnol 8y ago
        I don't complain about bubbles. I brought the bubble up to demonstrate that the right is moderating all kinds of not fitting content where they are able to. The big conspiracy the right wants to paint here based about moderation of their hate speech or pure insulting language is something that is being reinforced through their political figureheads and sold as censorship. I did not see anything like that on the other side (yet). It's a disgusting and ridiculous play, especially in regard of real censorship which is really out there today.
- int_19h 8y ago
  In Germany, it's "you can't say that", which is I think what he's talking about. Germany is probably the most extreme in the Western world in that regard - they have e.g. a court that can ban political parties if their platform is "counter to the free democratic basic order". Not to mention minor censorship, like excising swastikas and mentions of Hitler (ironically, a recent example was with a game about how Nazis are bad and you should fight them). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Streitbare_Demokratie https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Streitbare_Demokratie

eropple 8y ago

So...you are aware that "saying that makes you an asshole" and "you can't say that" are different things, yes?

robotrout 8y ago
Attacks on free speech in USA and Europe have nothing to do with offensive language and everything to do with control. Be careful what precedents you set and what things you celebrate. Pendulums swing. Are you referring to this? I don't think anybody tried to censor her for this, even though it was incredibly offensive. https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/tlaib-going-to-impeach-motherfucker https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/tlaib-going-to-impeach-mo...
- Krasnol 8y ago
  And here we go with the currently popular victim game which also brings the famous "censorship vs. moderation" trope and the "das wird man doch wohl noch sagen dürfen" classic. Please...this is ridiculous. Nobody falls for that besides the right wingers themselves. Nobody wants the right circle jerk in their comment section. The same way the right doesn't want any criticism of their behavior within their own bubble portals.
  - afiori 8y ago
    both the left and the right are in a bubble. Generally speaking assume that between your in-group there are as many bad people as in your out-group. It is hard to make example that would not further polarize this thread, but I can promise you that the same intolerance and bubbles are present on both side of the political spectrum (for sure in the US, even if I live in Germany now I don't know much about this country...)
    - Krasnol 8y ago
      I don't complain about bubbles. I brought the bubble up to demonstrate that the right is moderating all kinds of not fitting content where they are able to. The big conspiracy the right wants to paint here based about moderation of their hate speech or pure insulting language is something that is being reinforced through their political figureheads and sold as censorship. I did not see anything like that on the other side (yet). It's a disgusting and ridiculous play, especially in regard of real censorship which is really out there today.
int_19h 8y ago
In Germany, it's "you can't say that", which is I think what he's talking about. Germany is probably the most extreme in the Western world in that regard - they have e.g. a court that can ban political parties if their platform is "counter to the free democratic basic order". Not to mention minor censorship, like excising swastikas and mentions of Hitler (ironically, a recent example was with a game about how Nazis are bad and you should fight them). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Streitbare_Demokratie https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Streitbare_Demokratie