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I believe there is still hope for you to enjoy life and experience joy again. I'll stop short of recommending things to try since I'm assuming you've tried it a

by umvi 8y ago

I believe there is still hope for you to enjoy life and experience joy again. I'll stop short of recommending things to try since I'm assuming you've tried it all already, but you never know what the future will hold.

Razengan 8y ago
I am sure that most people who expound the joys of life when talking someone down from suicide, mean well, but I feel they're mostly trying to convince their own selves that life is always worth living.
- elwell 8y ago
  That could well be the case sometimes, I personally disagree though. I genuinely am full of joy most days. For me, I attribute this to every step I take against my habit of walking away from God, and especially the manifestation/experience of God's love in my relationship with my wife. So if I attest to that, it's an appeal to truth for the sake of someone else, not because I'm struggling to believe. Though even if that were the motivator, it seems like a healthy enough mechanism of society.
  - c22 8y ago
    I have a slightly different take on this. I also experience joy most days these days but God has nothing to do with it. Rather, I manufacture this joy from within myself through sheer force of will, simply because I find living this way more pleasant than the alternative. I wasn't always able to do this, I believe it is a skill that grows stronger with practice. It is a matter of both shifting perspective and (re)structuring one's life/environment to support joyous moments.
chris_wot 8y ago
After I felt suicidal, I was abused by people in Liverpool hospital in NSW. Three years later and I still feel suicidal at times, and I have not for a single day felt or experienced joy. Literally every day since then I have felt anger, shame and depression at what happened to me. I don't sleep well (I get nightmares), and nothing (and I mean nothing) is helping - not exercise, medicine, family, therapy, friendship - nothing.
- UI_at_80x24 8y ago
  Fuck, that is shitty. I really wish that hadn't happened to you.
- pdfernhout 8y ago
  Maybe of interest: "The Body Keeps the Score: Brain, Mind, and Body in the Healing of Trauma" by Bessel A. van der Kolk https://www.amazon.com/Body-Keeps-Score-Healing-Trauma/dp/0143127748 https://www.amazon.com/Body-Keeps-Score-Healing-Trauma/dp/01... "Renowned trauma expert Bessel van der Kolk has spent over three decades working with survivors. In The Body Keeps the Score, he transforms our understanding of traumatic stress, revealing how it literally rearranges the brain’s wiring—specifically areas dedicated to pleasure, engagement, control, and trust. He shows how these areas can be reactivated through innovative treatments including neurofeedback, mindfulness techniques, play, yoga, and other therapies. Based on Dr. van der Kolk’s own research and that of other leading specialists, The Body Keeps the Score offers proven alternatives to drugs and talk therapy—and a way to reclaim lives." A lot of it is historical, so you might want to skip to the sections on treatments like EMDR. The author shows how nightmares are the brains attempts to process what happened and has suggestions for moving past them. While Bessel van der Kolk practices in the USA, perhaps you could contact him (or the group he works through) and see if he or they can suggest an informed and compassionate practitioner in your country? Bessel van der Kolk and his associates can be reached here: http://www.traumacenter.org/ http://www.traumacenter.org/ An interview with him: https://onbeing.org/programs/bessel-van-der-kolk-how-trauma-lodges-in-the-body-mar2017/ https://onbeing.org/programs/bessel-van-der-kolk-how-trauma-... You may also find this book of interest too: "Out of the Nightmare: Recovery from Depression and Suicidal Pain" by David Conroy https://www.amazon.com/Out-Nightmare-Recovery-Depression-Suicidal/dp/0595414974/ https://www.amazon.com/Out-Nightmare-Recovery-Depression-Sui... A key point David Conroy makes is that all too often when people reach out for help with pain exceeding their coping resources (and so leading to suicidal thoughts) that the people they turn may just heap more pain on top of everything, which sounds like what happened to you. But it does not always have to been like that and David Conroy explores alternatives in his book. And you might also want to look into "The Lifestyle Cure" which has a fairly high cure rate for depression using a combination of omega-3s, sunlight & vitamin D, exercise, social interactions, mental habits to avoid negative ruminations, and improved sleep: https://tlc.ku.edu/ https://tlc.ku.edu/ But if it is past trauma that is causing the worst issues, addressing that first might help get you on an upward spiral and then you could try those other ideas to continue towards greater wellness. Hope this helps.

by umvi 8y ago

Razengan 8y ago

I am sure that most people who expound the joys of life when talking someone down from suicide, mean well, but I feel they're mostly trying to convince their own selves that life is always worth living.

elwell 8y ago
That could well be the case sometimes, I personally disagree though. I genuinely am full of joy most days. For me, I attribute this to every step I take against my habit of walking away from God, and especially the manifestation/experience of God's love in my relationship with my wife. So if I attest to that, it's an appeal to truth for the sake of someone else, not because I'm struggling to believe. Though even if that were the motivator, it seems like a healthy enough mechanism of society.
- c22 8y ago
  I have a slightly different take on this. I also experience joy most days these days but God has nothing to do with it. Rather, I manufacture this joy from within myself through sheer force of will, simply because I find living this way more pleasant than the alternative. I wasn't always able to do this, I believe it is a skill that grows stronger with practice. It is a matter of both shifting perspective and (re)structuring one's life/environment to support joyous moments.

chris_wot 8y ago

After I felt suicidal, I was abused by people in Liverpool hospital in NSW. Three years later and I still feel suicidal at times, and I have not for a single day felt or experienced joy. Literally every day since then I have felt anger, shame and depression at what happened to me. I don't sleep well (I get nightmares), and nothing (and I mean nothing) is helping - not exercise, medicine, family, therapy, friendship - nothing.

UI_at_80x24 8y ago
Fuck, that is shitty. I really wish that hadn't happened to you.
pdfernhout 8y ago
Maybe of interest: "The Body Keeps the Score: Brain, Mind, and Body in the Healing of Trauma" by Bessel A. van der Kolk https://www.amazon.com/Body-Keeps-Score-Healing-Trauma/dp/0143127748 https://www.amazon.com/Body-Keeps-Score-Healing-Trauma/dp/01... "Renowned trauma expert Bessel van der Kolk has spent over three decades working with survivors. In The Body Keeps the Score, he transforms our understanding of traumatic stress, revealing how it literally rearranges the brain’s wiring—specifically areas dedicated to pleasure, engagement, control, and trust. He shows how these areas can be reactivated through innovative treatments including neurofeedback, mindfulness techniques, play, yoga, and other therapies. Based on Dr. van der Kolk’s own research and that of other leading specialists, The Body Keeps the Score offers proven alternatives to drugs and talk therapy—and a way to reclaim lives." A lot of it is historical, so you might want to skip to the sections on treatments like EMDR. The author shows how nightmares are the brains attempts to process what happened and has suggestions for moving past them. While Bessel van der Kolk practices in the USA, perhaps you could contact him (or the group he works through) and see if he or they can suggest an informed and compassionate practitioner in your country? Bessel van der Kolk and his associates can be reached here: http://www.traumacenter.org/ http://www.traumacenter.org/ An interview with him: https://onbeing.org/programs/bessel-van-der-kolk-how-trauma-lodges-in-the-body-mar2017/ https://onbeing.org/programs/bessel-van-der-kolk-how-trauma-... You may also find this book of interest too: "Out of the Nightmare: Recovery from Depression and Suicidal Pain" by David Conroy https://www.amazon.com/Out-Nightmare-Recovery-Depression-Suicidal/dp/0595414974/ https://www.amazon.com/Out-Nightmare-Recovery-Depression-Sui... A key point David Conroy makes is that all too often when people reach out for help with pain exceeding their coping resources (and so leading to suicidal thoughts) that the people they turn may just heap more pain on top of everything, which sounds like what happened to you. But it does not always have to been like that and David Conroy explores alternatives in his book. And you might also want to look into "The Lifestyle Cure" which has a fairly high cure rate for depression using a combination of omega-3s, sunlight & vitamin D, exercise, social interactions, mental habits to avoid negative ruminations, and improved sleep: https://tlc.ku.edu/ https://tlc.ku.edu/ But if it is past trauma that is causing the worst issues, addressing that first might help get you on an upward spiral and then you could try those other ideas to continue towards greater wellness. Hope this helps.