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There are two major flaws in your logic: First, you correctly outline a problem but fail to solve the bug so to speak. These rural communities are poor and alr

There are two major flaws in your logic: First, you correctly outline a problem but fail to solve the bug so to speak. These rural communities are poor and already have trouble supporting their communities, and most of these rural communities have very few immigrants in the first place. Not enough to cause a drain on local infrastructure, but they serve as a scapegoat for the actual problems which is that said rural areas are dying out whether it be due to aging population or lack of funding. Having a homogenous culture as you mentioned wouldn't fix this problem, it's an excuse. The second is that you believe having a homogenous culture in the rural areas would be enough. If it was, then you wouldn't see those same rural people rallying against sanctuary cities and blaming coastal cities for destroying their culture. They don't just want a homogenous culture, they seek the destruction of immigrants altogether. That's why we've seen the rise of white supremacists, neo-nazis and abhorrent policies being pushed by our officials.

dragontamer 8y ago
Its pretty simple actually. People aren't rational, and expect to apply their logic to areas outside of their own communities. > The second is that you believe having a homogenous culture in the rural areas would be enough. If it was, then you wouldn't see those same rural people rallying against sanctuary cities and blaming coastal cities for destroying their culture Case in point: people are irrational. What they want for themselves, they'll campaign for on the national stage (and affect people thousands of miles away). There's been a loss of true federalism in this country. People think we're all one big country with the same culture, that's for both urban and rural folk. But I think there's a strong possibility of creating a message that will fly in both urban and rural areas. Imagine if we actually made San Francisco a federally-recognized Sancutary city. Where not only ICE kept out of the immigrant communities there, but maybe dumped a few immigrants into San Francisco (for sake of propaganda, if nothing else) But that's not what these people are seeing right now. They're seeing San Francisco protesters yell "Abolish ICE" to the cameras. We know what they want, we know what San Francisco wants. There's a solution here that likely can make both sides happy. San Francisco wants ICE to stop destroying the immigrant communities in its city. ("Abolish ICE" is as stupid as the wall BTW. I hope no actual candidate actually pursues that action. Its just a rallying cry that represents what people actually want) Rural areas nominally want to blame immigrants. So LET them. Give them what they want. Its not our job to enrich their areas, or to run their corner of the country. > That's why we've seen the rise of white supremacists, neo-nazis and abhorrent policies being pushed by our officials. While its abhorent, they're a good chunk of Trump's base (which is 30%+ of the country). We need to seriously consider them as a major player in US Politics. I mean, what else is your plan? To call them racist for another 10 years and maybe they'll start to believe it a decade from now?
- fzeroracer 8y ago
  To an extent it is the government's job to police rural areas. For example if a rural area says that no gay people or no black people are allowed, should the government not step in and allow then to self-govern? Should they be allowed to lynch whoever they want under the guise of ensuring cultural homogeneity? That would also fall under the rallying cry of homogenous culture you've been talking about, as those same rural people fear gay people or black people for similar reasons as immigrants. And the reason why I use such strong words is because this is the exact excuse the KKK has used in the past to demonize other minority members of a community. And the rallying cry of abolish ice is nowhere near the level of the demand for the wall, considering we have very prominent examples of ICE abusing it's authority, from deporting actual US citizens to harassing communities. If a branch is thoroughly corrupt then I would hope our officials would listen to the voters when they demand reform. And that reform involves tearing down ICE and building a better agency.

dragontamer 8y ago

Its pretty simple actually. People aren't rational, and expect to apply their logic to areas outside of their own communities. > The second is that you believe having a homogenous culture in the rural areas would be enough. If it was, then you wouldn't see those same rural people rallying against sanctuary cities and blaming coastal cities for destroying their culture Case in point: people are irrational. What they want for themselves, they'll campaign for on the national stage (and affect people thousands of miles away). There's been a loss of true federalism in this country. People think we're all one big country with the same culture, that's for both urban and rural folk. But I think there's a strong possibility of creating a message that will fly in both urban and rural areas. Imagine if we actually made San Francisco a federally-recognized Sancutary city. Where not only ICE kept out of the immigrant communities there, but maybe dumped a few immigrants into San Francisco (for sake of propaganda, if nothing else) But that's not what these people are seeing right now. They're seeing San Francisco protesters yell "Abolish ICE" to the cameras. We know what they want, we know what San Francisco wants. There's a solution here that likely can make both sides happy. San Francisco wants ICE to stop destroying the immigrant communities in its city. ("Abolish ICE" is as stupid as the wall BTW. I hope no actual candidate actually pursues that action. Its just a rallying cry that represents what people actually want) Rural areas nominally want to blame immigrants. So LET them. Give them what they want. Its not our job to enrich their areas, or to run their corner of the country. > That's why we've seen the rise of white supremacists, neo-nazis and abhorrent policies being pushed by our officials. While its abhorent, they're a good chunk of Trump's base (which is 30%+ of the country). We need to seriously consider them as a major player in US Politics. I mean, what else is your plan? To call them racist for another 10 years and maybe they'll start to believe it a decade from now?

fzeroracer 8y ago
To an extent it is the government's job to police rural areas. For example if a rural area says that no gay people or no black people are allowed, should the government not step in and allow then to self-govern? Should they be allowed to lynch whoever they want under the guise of ensuring cultural homogeneity? That would also fall under the rallying cry of homogenous culture you've been talking about, as those same rural people fear gay people or black people for similar reasons as immigrants. And the reason why I use such strong words is because this is the exact excuse the KKK has used in the past to demonize other minority members of a community. And the rallying cry of abolish ice is nowhere near the level of the demand for the wall, considering we have very prominent examples of ICE abusing it's authority, from deporting actual US citizens to harassing communities. If a branch is thoroughly corrupt then I would hope our officials would listen to the voters when they demand reform. And that reform involves tearing down ICE and building a better agency.