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Not the person you replied to, but that's what I imagine he/she is getting at. What I think of when someone mentions a Unix UI library is something like Qt, whi

Not the person you replied to, but that's what I imagine he/she is getting at. What I think of when someone mentions a Unix UI library is something like Qt, which provides a number of conventions, such as: - Standard layouts - Standard input and display components - Standard event and message handling - Standard user interactions - Standard color themes Which is great for developers to set up an initial UI, but makes every application look the same and takes a lot of work to customize in a way that's consistent with the defaults. On the other hand, building a complex, feature-rich UI requires a lot of skill both in terms of implementation and design, which is less than common. So that Qt UI will be functional and predictable to users, even if it was not very well thought out, and the broken web UI will be useless to everyone.

pasabagi 8y ago
Personally I like consistency. I've actually moved away from GUI apps in general because the terminal is more consistent, so I feel like there's less to learn with each new tool.
rleigh 8y ago
This is exactly why I like to use these UI toolkits, and despise most web "UI" frameworks. That uniformity is why these applications are usable and predictable, and yes, boring. Deviating from the defaults takes effort, and that's a subtle hint that it's something to reconsider. You're deviating from the norm, and that might indulge a developer's whims or the demands of a manager who wants their application to stand out from the crowd. But that superficial difference is something I've despised ever since we have WinAmp and XMMS skinning the UI like many media players, purely to look different at the expense of usability. Even after reading lots of UI guidelines, and developing several tools and applications, it's taught me that I'm terrible at it, and should let an expert do that part while I stick to the other parts!
erikpukinskis 8y ago
Yes, I should’ve said UNIX-philosophy or something... what I said was pretty ambiguous. I meant UNIX-style in terms of single purpose tools that work together over a common bus without being tightly coupled. Not actually UNIX UI libraries.

pasabagi 8y ago

Personally I like consistency. I've actually moved away from GUI apps in general because the terminal is more consistent, so I feel like there's less to learn with each new tool.

rleigh 8y ago

This is exactly why I like to use these UI toolkits, and despise most web "UI" frameworks. That uniformity is why these applications are usable and predictable, and yes, boring. Deviating from the defaults takes effort, and that's a subtle hint that it's something to reconsider. You're deviating from the norm, and that might indulge a developer's whims or the demands of a manager who wants their application to stand out from the crowd. But that superficial difference is something I've despised ever since we have WinAmp and XMMS skinning the UI like many media players, purely to look different at the expense of usability. Even after reading lots of UI guidelines, and developing several tools and applications, it's taught me that I'm terrible at it, and should let an expert do that part while I stick to the other parts!

erikpukinskis 8y ago

Yes, I should’ve said UNIX-philosophy or something... what I said was pretty ambiguous. I meant UNIX-style in terms of single purpose tools that work together over a common bus without being tightly coupled. Not actually UNIX UI libraries.