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Shitty device then. Or is there a legitimate usecase for such behaviour?

by gsich 8y ago

dastx 8y ago
> Or is there a legitimate usecase for such behaviour? Yes, to track you better.
- fixermark 8y ago
  Or to speed up the Internet experience. https://googleblog.blogspot.com/2009/12/introducing-google-public-dns.html https://googleblog.blogspot.com/2009/12/introducing-google-p...
  - mthoms 8y ago
    Interesting then, that they chose to do this instead of giving monetary and technical support to the already established opendns.org Kind of like they started Knol to compete directly with Wikipedia.
    - vatueil 8y ago
      Despite what the name may suggest, OpenDNS has always been a for-profit company, and they used to serve ads in the same way ISPs have been criticized for. Offering an alternative to OpenDNS was a good choice.
      - mthoms 8y ago
        Ah yes, you're right. It definitely seemed like they attempted to portray themselves as some kind of non-profit if memory serves.
  - Rebelgecko 8y ago
    There's so much latency already with the chromecast. how much difference does a few tens of milliseconds make?
  - gsich 8y ago
    Not on a Chromecast. And not with every DNS. And no time difference is shown in the blogpost.
isostatic 8y ago
Google DNS came about because of a very real problem of shitty ISPs giving shitty DNS servers that gave fake results (especially in NXDomain cases) I can see why you would want to use a known-good dns provider in your product, however at the very least there should be an ability to turn off such behaviour.
- vetinari 8y ago
  It is not shitty ISPs giving fake results. It is me. My resolver does that and it is for a reason. Disrespecting what the local network tells you to use just leads to arms race.
  - thecatspaw 8y ago
    Google doesnt care about a piHole or similar, its such a tiny tiny part of their customers its not worth fighting it at this point
    - vetinari 8y ago
      Still, Google is tightening the screws: moving DNS resolver into the browser, instead of using the system one; moving DNS over to https+ESNI to hide among other traffic; forcing their own DNS servers instead of user configured. That's all together means, that they do not trust not only the ISPs, but neither the user, and that they want to have a unobstructed communication channel out of their software to the mothership, privacy and control by the users be damned. So the pihole community is tiny, but that may be the reason, why Google thinks that they are worth the sacrifice: after all, there is just a few of them.
      - heavenlyblue 8y ago
        Nah. I use 8.8.8.8 at home simply because it was a long time since providers in the UK didn’t try to intercept the failed DNS queries. On top of that, Virgin Media resolver managed to go offline particularly regularly. So here we are: what user sees is that a particular device doesn’t work, while others do. So they obviously blame the ones adhering to standards.

Shitty device then. Or is there a legitimate usecase for such behaviour?

by gsich 8y ago

Shitty device then. Or is there a legitimate usecase for such behaviour?

dastx 8y ago

> Or is there a legitimate usecase for such behaviour? Yes, to track you better.

fixermark 8y ago
Or to speed up the Internet experience. https://googleblog.blogspot.com/2009/12/introducing-google-public-dns.html https://googleblog.blogspot.com/2009/12/introducing-google-p...
- mthoms 8y ago
  Interesting then, that they chose to do this instead of giving monetary and technical support to the already established opendns.org Kind of like they started Knol to compete directly with Wikipedia.
  - vatueil 8y ago
    Despite what the name may suggest, OpenDNS has always been a for-profit company, and they used to serve ads in the same way ISPs have been criticized for. Offering an alternative to OpenDNS was a good choice.
    - mthoms 8y ago
      Ah yes, you're right. It definitely seemed like they attempted to portray themselves as some kind of non-profit if memory serves.
- Rebelgecko 8y ago
  There's so much latency already with the chromecast. how much difference does a few tens of milliseconds make?
- gsich 8y ago
  Not on a Chromecast. And not with every DNS. And no time difference is shown in the blogpost.

isostatic 8y ago

Google DNS came about because of a very real problem of shitty ISPs giving shitty DNS servers that gave fake results (especially in NXDomain cases) I can see why you would want to use a known-good dns provider in your product, however at the very least there should be an ability to turn off such behaviour.

vetinari 8y ago
It is not shitty ISPs giving fake results. It is me. My resolver does that and it is for a reason. Disrespecting what the local network tells you to use just leads to arms race.
- thecatspaw 8y ago
  Google doesnt care about a piHole or similar, its such a tiny tiny part of their customers its not worth fighting it at this point
  - vetinari 8y ago
    Still, Google is tightening the screws: moving DNS resolver into the browser, instead of using the system one; moving DNS over to https+ESNI to hide among other traffic; forcing their own DNS servers instead of user configured. That's all together means, that they do not trust not only the ISPs, but neither the user, and that they want to have a unobstructed communication channel out of their software to the mothership, privacy and control by the users be damned. So the pihole community is tiny, but that may be the reason, why Google thinks that they are worth the sacrifice: after all, there is just a few of them.
    - heavenlyblue 8y ago
      Nah. I use 8.8.8.8 at home simply because it was a long time since providers in the UK didn’t try to intercept the failed DNS queries. On top of that, Virgin Media resolver managed to go offline particularly regularly. So here we are: what user sees is that a particular device doesn’t work, while others do. So they obviously blame the ones adhering to standards.