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Yes, but the whole thing has a Karmic feel to it. Amazon used a very public HQ process which turned the process into a public game show. Since they used public

by paulgb 8y ago

Yes, but the whole thing has a Karmic feel to it. Amazon used a very public HQ process which turned the process into a public game show. Since they used public pressure on local politicians as a bargaining chip to get a deal done, it feels fitting that it backfired this way.

orzig 8y ago
It's not 'high stakes' if it doesn't have a real chance of blowing up!
repsilat 8y ago
A little ironic in the other direction too, I think. New Yorkers saw the deal as corrupt favouritism and wanted to stop it from happening. Now New York has even more of a reputation for corruption by making it clear they won't uphold the terms of deals they make. Really, Amazon are lucky the subsidies disappeared before they made significant capital investments, otherwise it would practically have been extortion.
- CPLX 8y ago
  > they won't uphold the terms of deals they make Who the fuck is “they” I didn’t agree to shit. That was done by some guy who lives in Albany.
- bogomipz 8y ago
  >"Now New York has even more of a reputation for corruption by making it clear they won't uphold the terms of deals they make." First of all New York didn't rescind the terms of any agreement. Amazon made the decision not to go forward. Second Governor Cuomo pursued the deal as a "General Project Plan", this is a state process that circumvents a local approval process that would involve the city council and any community input. If there's any "corruption" here it was in the way this thing was pursued from the outset. So no, not "ironic" at all.
  - repsilat 8y ago
    > New York didn't rescind the terms of any agreement. Amazon made the decision not to go forward. The State Senate put Michael Gianiaris in a position to veto it. Gianiaris called the deal "unacceptable." He said "If their view is we want your $3 billion or we're leaving, maybe they should leave." He said he wanted to renegotiate the deal from scratch. Maybe that was just his opening position, and maybe he would have softened up once in a meeting room, but if I were in Amazon's shoes I wouldn't expect to get what I'd been offered, and I'd be pretty worried about getting mugged after setting up shop too.
    - bogomipz 8y ago
      None of which is at all the same as what you stated - that New York "was making it clear they won't uphold the terms of deals they make."

by paulgb 8y ago

orzig 8y ago

It's not 'high stakes' if it doesn't have a real chance of blowing up!

repsilat 8y ago

A little ironic in the other direction too, I think. New Yorkers saw the deal as corrupt favouritism and wanted to stop it from happening. Now New York has even more of a reputation for corruption by making it clear they won't uphold the terms of deals they make. Really, Amazon are lucky the subsidies disappeared before they made significant capital investments, otherwise it would practically have been extortion.

CPLX 8y ago
> they won't uphold the terms of deals they make Who the fuck is “they” I didn’t agree to shit. That was done by some guy who lives in Albany.
bogomipz 8y ago
>"Now New York has even more of a reputation for corruption by making it clear they won't uphold the terms of deals they make." First of all New York didn't rescind the terms of any agreement. Amazon made the decision not to go forward. Second Governor Cuomo pursued the deal as a "General Project Plan", this is a state process that circumvents a local approval process that would involve the city council and any community input. If there's any "corruption" here it was in the way this thing was pursued from the outset. So no, not "ironic" at all.
- repsilat 8y ago
  > New York didn't rescind the terms of any agreement. Amazon made the decision not to go forward. The State Senate put Michael Gianiaris in a position to veto it. Gianiaris called the deal "unacceptable." He said "If their view is we want your $3 billion or we're leaving, maybe they should leave." He said he wanted to renegotiate the deal from scratch. Maybe that was just his opening position, and maybe he would have softened up once in a meeting room, but if I were in Amazon's shoes I wouldn't expect to get what I'd been offered, and I'd be pretty worried about getting mugged after setting up shop too.
  - bogomipz 8y ago
    None of which is at all the same as what you stated - that New York "was making it clear they won't uphold the terms of deals they make."