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Web bluetooth is nice, though is not ready for production yet. For example you can't build a tv remote control or bluetooth keyboard/hid

edwinjm 8y ago
I don't understand. Because you can't do a couple of things, it's not production ready? What about programming your remote from your desktop without having to install programs and drivers? And the producer not having to develop software for various operating systems? (Windows, macOS, Android, iOS, Linux...). Think about timer switches. Setting up the timers with your phone is easier than on the switch itself. And it's probably cheaper to produce. It's just too bad Apple has turned from an early adopter to a slow follower regarding Web API's which makes it harder for manufacturers to go the Web Bluetooth route.
SlowRobotAhead 8y ago
>For example you can't build a tv remote control or bluetooth keyboard/hid Why not? WebBLE supports GATT read and write. BLE does have an HID mode, but the primary way you are “supposed” to access BLE is via GATT transfers. You could absolutely do a remote control right now. You would be at the mercy of packet interval timing (7.5ms-50ms depending on agreed interval) so gaming keyboard wouldn’t be great typical use could absolutely be done... but guess what, HID mode still has a minimum packet internval timing at 7.5ms. I’ve been using BLE for years but still haven’t found a great use for HID mode.
- thefounder 8y ago
  >> You could absolutely do a remote control right now. No, you can't. I actually tried doing just that. Try yourself and see how spectacular it fails. WebBle is just experimental as far as I'm concerned
  - SlowRobotAhead 8y ago
    Ok... except that I have a remote operated device on BLE right now. I’ll let the people in my group know it’s impossible though.
vibrato 8y ago
I might argue Bluetooth itself is not ready for production yet
- MrBuddyCasino 8y ago
  Just like USB. Two horrible, horrible specs that have grown more complex over the years. Arguably BLE is the sanest part.

edwinjm 8y ago

I don't understand. Because you can't do a couple of things, it's not production ready? What about programming your remote from your desktop without having to install programs and drivers? And the producer not having to develop software for various operating systems? (Windows, macOS, Android, iOS, Linux...). Think about timer switches. Setting up the timers with your phone is easier than on the switch itself. And it's probably cheaper to produce. It's just too bad Apple has turned from an early adopter to a slow follower regarding Web API's which makes it harder for manufacturers to go the Web Bluetooth route.

SlowRobotAhead 8y ago

>For example you can't build a tv remote control or bluetooth keyboard/hid Why not? WebBLE supports GATT read and write. BLE does have an HID mode, but the primary way you are “supposed” to access BLE is via GATT transfers. You could absolutely do a remote control right now. You would be at the mercy of packet interval timing (7.5ms-50ms depending on agreed interval) so gaming keyboard wouldn’t be great typical use could absolutely be done... but guess what, HID mode still has a minimum packet internval timing at 7.5ms. I’ve been using BLE for years but still haven’t found a great use for HID mode.

thefounder 8y ago
>> You could absolutely do a remote control right now. No, you can't. I actually tried doing just that. Try yourself and see how spectacular it fails. WebBle is just experimental as far as I'm concerned
- SlowRobotAhead 8y ago
  Ok... except that I have a remote operated device on BLE right now. I’ll let the people in my group know it’s impossible though.

vibrato 8y ago

I might argue Bluetooth itself is not ready for production yet

MrBuddyCasino 8y ago
Just like USB. Two horrible, horrible specs that have grown more complex over the years. Arguably BLE is the sanest part.