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Burning Man finally fights Instagram culture and bans high-end camp

21 points by jsty 8y ago

LandR 8y ago
You are missing 'amp' off the end of the URL https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/feb/14/burning-man-finally-fights-instagram-culture-and-bans-high-end-camp https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/feb/14/burning-man-...
- jsty 8y ago
  Whoops, sorry! Can't edit the URL unfortunately. Perhaps if one of the mods are around they could do it?
- grenoire 8y ago
  The only time when we needed AMP, we don't have it...
RantyDave 8y ago
Enough of the "finally". They held off for a long time because they want to delay the day when we start saying "they" instead of "we". But in the end, arseholes won out, and people who don't want to enforce anything end up having to make rules and hating it. I hope Burning Man's going to be OK, but I'm really not sure it is.
- wizardforhire 8y ago
  Burning Man makes a lot of sense if you’re interested in testing the limits of what constitutes the delineation between small group dynamics and the threshold to the “other”. Traditionally this point is reached at roughly 20 individuals but we’ve all suspected the population #s could be much greater. The fact that roughly 70k+ people show up and buy into this event is a true testimate to the underlying principles of Burning Man... But as a wise sage once said to me “people have been people for as long as people have been people.” With this in mind it’s astounding that the event has lasted this long without having to resort to these sort of decisions. As for comfort to the idealists I have only this to offer: “reality is what refuses to go away when you choose to stop believing in it.” As for whether or not BM will continue... its lasted this long and it seems to satiate an underlying need of the human condition in my opinion. So unless the organizers develope a coke habit, I see no reason it shall continue into the indefinite future.
skilled 8y ago
Also: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19141066 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19141066 https://www.wmagazine.com/story/burning-man-instagram-influencers-sponcon-marian-goodell-letter https://www.wmagazine.com/story/burning-man-instagram-influe...
makomk 8y ago
It wasn't so long ago that they were mocking the idea that these camps were "ruining" Burning Man, was it? http://journal.burningman.org/2016/10/philosophical-center/tenprinciples/a-brief-history-of-who-ruined-burning-man/ http://journal.burningman.org/2016/10/philosophical-center/t... https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12660468 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12660468 Edit: Boing Boing says something interesting about this at https://boingboing.net/2019/02/13/radical-participation.html https://boingboing.net/2019/02/13/radical-participation.html "As noted, some of this was clearly related to the Borg's own divided sensibilities: founder Larry Harvey (who died last year) defended the idea of the super-rich attending amid a certain amount of luxury, on the basis that everyone experiences Burning Man in their own way."
- RantyDave 8y ago
  Right! If "radical inclusion" is a principle, then radically include we shall. But the Burn spends a fortune on security, policing, fences etc. with the specific intention that radical inclusion doesn't include people who haven't paid. What they _mean_ is "radical inclusion, but only people we like". It's not a very good principle. I never did get the coffee and ice thing either.
merricksb 8y ago
Official blog post discussed 2 days ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19144069 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19144069
sytelus 8y ago
This is nothing even close to good enough. Few percentage of increase for this class and that class just to show off they sort of care. Here’s some facts: burning man is run by mostly volunteers. There no services provided on site except an expensive coffee and portable toilets, Still, organizers charge about $100 per night to attendees. And that is if you are super lucky. Last year, the cost shot up to $200 per night for a lot of people. Why are tickets so expensive? If this event is true to their root, tickets should be less than $100 and distributed by volunteering hours served and some by just random chance. People selling $600 tickets have no rights to complain that this has become Instagram event for rich people.
moneytide1 8y ago
Doesn't matter, "burning man" can happen anywhere it's just an idea. Set up for a few nights, tear down leave absolutely no trace. It's the concept that matters.

21 points by jsty 8y ago

You are missing 'amp' off the end of the URL https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/feb/14/burning-man-finally-fights-instagram-culture-and-bans-high-end-camp https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/feb/14/burning-man-...

jsty 8y ago
Whoops, sorry! Can't edit the URL unfortunately. Perhaps if one of the mods are around they could do it?
grenoire 8y ago
The only time when we needed AMP, we don't have it...

RantyDave 8y ago

Enough of the "finally". They held off for a long time because they want to delay the day when we start saying "they" instead of "we". But in the end, arseholes won out, and people who don't want to enforce anything end up having to make rules and hating it. I hope Burning Man's going to be OK, but I'm really not sure it is.

wizardforhire 8y ago
Burning Man makes a lot of sense if you’re interested in testing the limits of what constitutes the delineation between small group dynamics and the threshold to the “other”. Traditionally this point is reached at roughly 20 individuals but we’ve all suspected the population #s could be much greater. The fact that roughly 70k+ people show up and buy into this event is a true testimate to the underlying principles of Burning Man... But as a wise sage once said to me “people have been people for as long as people have been people.” With this in mind it’s astounding that the event has lasted this long without having to resort to these sort of decisions. As for comfort to the idealists I have only this to offer: “reality is what refuses to go away when you choose to stop believing in it.” As for whether or not BM will continue... its lasted this long and it seems to satiate an underlying need of the human condition in my opinion. So unless the organizers develope a coke habit, I see no reason it shall continue into the indefinite future.

skilled 8y ago

Also: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19141066 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19141066 https://www.wmagazine.com/story/burning-man-instagram-influencers-sponcon-marian-goodell-letter https://www.wmagazine.com/story/burning-man-instagram-influe...

makomk 8y ago

It wasn't so long ago that they were mocking the idea that these camps were "ruining" Burning Man, was it? http://journal.burningman.org/2016/10/philosophical-center/tenprinciples/a-brief-history-of-who-ruined-burning-man/ http://journal.burningman.org/2016/10/philosophical-center/t... https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12660468 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12660468 Edit: Boing Boing says something interesting about this at https://boingboing.net/2019/02/13/radical-participation.html https://boingboing.net/2019/02/13/radical-participation.html "As noted, some of this was clearly related to the Borg's own divided sensibilities: founder Larry Harvey (who died last year) defended the idea of the super-rich attending amid a certain amount of luxury, on the basis that everyone experiences Burning Man in their own way."

RantyDave 8y ago
Right! If "radical inclusion" is a principle, then radically include we shall. But the Burn spends a fortune on security, policing, fences etc. with the specific intention that radical inclusion doesn't include people who haven't paid. What they _mean_ is "radical inclusion, but only people we like". It's not a very good principle. I never did get the coffee and ice thing either.

merricksb 8y ago

Official blog post discussed 2 days ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19144069 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19144069

sytelus 8y ago

This is nothing even close to good enough. Few percentage of increase for this class and that class just to show off they sort of care. Here’s some facts: burning man is run by mostly volunteers. There no services provided on site except an expensive coffee and portable toilets, Still, organizers charge about $100 per night to attendees. And that is if you are super lucky. Last year, the cost shot up to $200 per night for a lot of people. Why are tickets so expensive? If this event is true to their root, tickets should be less than $100 and distributed by volunteering hours served and some by just random chance. People selling $600 tickets have no rights to complain that this has become Instagram event for rich people.

moneytide1 8y ago

Doesn't matter, "burning man" can happen anywhere it's just an idea. Set up for a few nights, tear down leave absolutely no trace. It's the concept that matters.