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Aside from what everyone else has stated on these comments, unless they remove all Australian staff it won't matter, they can still be compelled to do whatever

Aside from what everyone else has stated on these comments, unless they remove all Australian staff it won't matter, they can still be compelled to do whatever the aus govt wants.

Thorrez 8y ago
Couldn't employees in Hong Kong revert the changes and alert the media?
- netheril96 8y ago
  But you may not know. Some security vulnerabilities are quite hard to spot, even to experts.
  - isostatic 8y ago
    No more than a bad actor simply paying $xxx to the developer.
apexalpha 8y ago
Why? you can just let the Hong Kong staff hold necessary keys.
- marak830 8y ago
  Indeed, but would you prefer to have staff you know are reliable, or to be constantly worried that every commit may contain a portion that will lead into a future loophole.
vectorEQ 8y ago
everyone has their price, so it's always possible something is going to happen, but moving places atleast gives them chance that they don't get lawsuit immediately, and gives more opportunity to resist. as a nation you can't touch someone in another nation unless the host nation cooperates. not sure how china vs australia relationships are, but i'm assuming these people didn't move to that specific country just at random....
- marak830 8y ago
  I'm a more casual developer just to put that out there, but I'm Australian. Since this law came out, I have definitely lost a few contracts. Eg you can see in their eyes when they hear my accent. Yes it's just from my point of view, and I'm probably also shaking more birds out of the tree than really exist, but it's my belief. Irrespective of that view though , any Aussie programmer who lives abroad(such as myself), have to consider what would be waiting if we visited family and friends. I can honestly say I'd make a stand, screw the consequences, but what about everyone else? I'm a headstrong bastard(too much haha), but others have families to consider (I do as well, but my wife supports me on this position). I moved to Japan for my wife, that doesn't mean we planned to stay here forever, while I do want to now, I know quite a few Aussies here that want to return eventually.

Aside from what everyone else has stated on these comments, unless they remove all Australian staff it won't matter, they can still be compelled to do whatever the aus govt wants.

Thorrez 8y ago

Couldn't employees in Hong Kong revert the changes and alert the media?

netheril96 8y ago
But you may not know. Some security vulnerabilities are quite hard to spot, even to experts.
- isostatic 8y ago
  No more than a bad actor simply paying $xxx to the developer.

apexalpha 8y ago

Why? you can just let the Hong Kong staff hold necessary keys.

marak830 8y ago
Indeed, but would you prefer to have staff you know are reliable, or to be constantly worried that every commit may contain a portion that will lead into a future loophole.

vectorEQ 8y ago

everyone has their price, so it's always possible something is going to happen, but moving places atleast gives them chance that they don't get lawsuit immediately, and gives more opportunity to resist. as a nation you can't touch someone in another nation unless the host nation cooperates. not sure how china vs australia relationships are, but i'm assuming these people didn't move to that specific country just at random....

marak830 8y ago
I'm a more casual developer just to put that out there, but I'm Australian. Since this law came out, I have definitely lost a few contracts. Eg you can see in their eyes when they hear my accent. Yes it's just from my point of view, and I'm probably also shaking more birds out of the tree than really exist, but it's my belief. Irrespective of that view though , any Aussie programmer who lives abroad(such as myself), have to consider what would be waiting if we visited family and friends. I can honestly say I'd make a stand, screw the consequences, but what about everyone else? I'm a headstrong bastard(too much haha), but others have families to consider (I do as well, but my wife supports me on this position). I moved to Japan for my wife, that doesn't mean we planned to stay here forever, while I do want to now, I know quite a few Aussies here that want to return eventually.