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Even if it sexual, why must it be stigmatized?

by matz1 8y ago

mirimir 8y ago
OK, if 13 year old girls do soft porn videos, totally on their own, I'd call that empowerment. I don't get the distinction from 13 year old guys doing videos about whatever they're into. But if parents of 13 year old girls are encouraging them to do soft porn videos, that's exploitation. However, check out the pre-teen "modeling" thing in the US. That's basically soft porn, and it's popular.
- mirimir 8y ago
  I get that this attitude outrages many people. Especially, I would guess, parents. Because children ought to be protected from themselves. And maybe it's just that I've never been a parent. So what I remember is what it was like to be a child. Indeed, some would say that I still am a child, and I'm OK with that. Anyway, when do we get the right to exercise free will? When I was about eight, I felt that I had it. And many religions do think that sinning becomes possible at about that age. So what's magic about 18 or 21?
- arcturus17 8y ago
  How is it “empowering” for a 13 year old to do soft porn videos on her own? Can you imagine the amount of pedophiles crawling out of the woodwork to see that, and the dangers it might expose her to? We have come to such a low point of moral thinking that “who will think of the children?” has become nothing but a meme. But teenage suicide and psychological ills of all kinds are at record record highs, so perhaps it is worth our while to think of the children after all.
  - mirimir 8y ago
    It's a tough question. OK, so I'm making this up, but if I were a 13 year old girl today, and I knew that I could make $1K per day doing soft porn, I wouldn't think twice. I mean, I'd be very careful to stay as anonymous as possible. But seriously, doing YouTube videos is orders of magnitude more secure than hosting a webcam on your public IP address from home. Maybe you'll call bullshit on that. Because, you know, I'm male. But when I was 13, I was hacking on unexploded WWII munitions that we found lying around in the woods. And that's gotta be at least as hazardous as making soft porn for YouTube. Also, when I was in my mid teens, I had a 13 year old girlfriend. And she would definitely have made soft porn for YouTube, if it had existed then. Even without the prospect of making $1K per day. So yeah, it's a tough question. If you think that 13 is too young, what's an OK age?
  - mirimir 8y ago
    > Can you imagine the amount of pedophiles crawling out of the woodwork to see that, and the dangers it might expose her to? With that reasoning, they ought to be wearing burquas. But the beauty here is that you get to monetize the pedophiles. And of course, good OPSEC is essential, given the dangers. So the fact this girl uses her meatspace name is an OPSEC fail.
acid__ 8y ago
Many people (myself included) find the sexualization of 13-year olds immoral and worthy of being stigmatized. Hopefully that’s not too surprising of a statement (regardless of your personal views).
- matz1 8y ago
  Its not surprising but why?
  - acid__ 8y ago
    Hey man, I appreciate the intellectual curiosity and desire to challenge commonly held beliefs. This is clearly a topic with extreme potential for heated, off-topic debate. I don’t think Hacker News is the right forum for this discussion. If “you have something genuinely new to say” [1] by all means, feel free to share it. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Even if it sexual, why must it be stigmatized?

by matz1 8y ago

Even if it sexual, why must it be stigmatized?

OK, if 13 year old girls do soft porn videos, totally on their own, I'd call that empowerment. I don't get the distinction from 13 year old guys doing videos about whatever they're into. But if parents of 13 year old girls are encouraging them to do soft porn videos, that's exploitation. However, check out the pre-teen "modeling" thing in the US. That's basically soft porn, and it's popular.

mirimir 8y ago
I get that this attitude outrages many people. Especially, I would guess, parents. Because children ought to be protected from themselves. And maybe it's just that I've never been a parent. So what I remember is what it was like to be a child. Indeed, some would say that I still am a child, and I'm OK with that. Anyway, when do we get the right to exercise free will? When I was about eight, I felt that I had it. And many religions do think that sinning becomes possible at about that age. So what's magic about 18 or 21?
arcturus17 8y ago
How is it “empowering” for a 13 year old to do soft porn videos on her own? Can you imagine the amount of pedophiles crawling out of the woodwork to see that, and the dangers it might expose her to? We have come to such a low point of moral thinking that “who will think of the children?” has become nothing but a meme. But teenage suicide and psychological ills of all kinds are at record record highs, so perhaps it is worth our while to think of the children after all.
- mirimir 8y ago
  It's a tough question. OK, so I'm making this up, but if I were a 13 year old girl today, and I knew that I could make $1K per day doing soft porn, I wouldn't think twice. I mean, I'd be very careful to stay as anonymous as possible. But seriously, doing YouTube videos is orders of magnitude more secure than hosting a webcam on your public IP address from home. Maybe you'll call bullshit on that. Because, you know, I'm male. But when I was 13, I was hacking on unexploded WWII munitions that we found lying around in the woods. And that's gotta be at least as hazardous as making soft porn for YouTube. Also, when I was in my mid teens, I had a 13 year old girlfriend. And she would definitely have made soft porn for YouTube, if it had existed then. Even without the prospect of making $1K per day. So yeah, it's a tough question. If you think that 13 is too young, what's an OK age?
- mirimir 8y ago
  > Can you imagine the amount of pedophiles crawling out of the woodwork to see that, and the dangers it might expose her to? With that reasoning, they ought to be wearing burquas. But the beauty here is that you get to monetize the pedophiles. And of course, good OPSEC is essential, given the dangers. So the fact this girl uses her meatspace name is an OPSEC fail.

acid__ 8y ago

Many people (myself included) find the sexualization of 13-year olds immoral and worthy of being stigmatized. Hopefully that’s not too surprising of a statement (regardless of your personal views).

matz1 8y ago
Its not surprising but why?
- acid__ 8y ago
  Hey man, I appreciate the intellectual curiosity and desire to challenge commonly held beliefs. This is clearly a topic with extreme potential for heated, off-topic debate. I don’t think Hacker News is the right forum for this discussion. If “you have something genuinely new to say” [1] by all means, feel free to share it. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html