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Where did you come up with the idea that free speech laws give them the right to censor. It doesn't. Ownership and private property rights give them the right t

Where did you come up with the idea that free speech laws give them the right to censor. It doesn't. Ownership and private property rights give them the right to censor.

jedmeyers 8y ago
Ownership and private property makes them liable for what happens on that private property, yet they are somehow exepmted from that liability. So all perks and none of the responsibilities.
- dnautics 8y ago
  That's a funny view. If someone comes to your bar and pushes another person's into a stool and kills them are you liable?
  - samatman 8y ago
    The government will absolutely entertain a lawsuit on those grounds, yes. Whether liability and damages are assigned would depend on the details, but the principle is quite clear here.
    - dnautics 8y ago
      The government often entertains strange pursuits in the name of justice. In the United States, a man was choked to death for selling loose cigarettes. That the state did it in the pursuit of the social contract doesn't make it right; and one should consider carefully the principles under which the state should pursue justice, with a careful eye towards how the state is liable to twist those principles to hurt the least politically empowered.
  - iknownothing52 8y ago
    if your bar is running every tactic possible to keep you there and drinking and ignoring the consequences of it then yes i think they would have to answer for that.
    - dnautics 8y ago
      That's a dangerous call to make. An Orlando nightclub once ran every tactic to keep its patrons there, and they fell victim to a predator. If the nightclub weren't working so hard to keep its patrons there, fewer people would have been victimized Are they liable? Why or why not?
      - jedmeyers 8y ago
        They might be liable for not adequately protecting the patrons, for example. My uninformed personal opinion is that they are not liable in this case since they did have a security guard, but that guard is also being sued (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2018/06/08/pulse-nightclub-security-guard-once-hailed-a-hero-is-being-sued-by-victims-of-the-mass-shooting/?utm_term=.bb825c3be437 https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2018/06/0...). Otherwise yes, it is quite possible to be liable for whatever happens on your private property. If drug deals are taking place between third parties in your house won’t you be liable? If you allowed those parties there you most definitely will be.
        dnautics 8y ago
        You're still punting the ethical question to a question of law. If someone is on your property and a car off the street swerves into your property and kills them surely you wouldn't be liable... or let's say a meteor hits your guest. Surely there is a limit to where liability kicks in. Where should that limit be and why
        jedmeyers 8y ago
        If your business is in letting the cars swerve onto your driveway then you will be liable. Don’t compare normal and regular human behavior on a platform to a meteor hitting the guests.

Where did you come up with the idea that free speech laws give them the right to censor. It doesn't. Ownership and private property rights give them the right to censor.

jedmeyers 8y ago

Ownership and private property makes them liable for what happens on that private property, yet they are somehow exepmted from that liability. So all perks and none of the responsibilities.

dnautics 8y ago
That's a funny view. If someone comes to your bar and pushes another person's into a stool and kills them are you liable?
- samatman 8y ago
  The government will absolutely entertain a lawsuit on those grounds, yes. Whether liability and damages are assigned would depend on the details, but the principle is quite clear here.
  - dnautics 8y ago
    The government often entertains strange pursuits in the name of justice. In the United States, a man was choked to death for selling loose cigarettes. That the state did it in the pursuit of the social contract doesn't make it right; and one should consider carefully the principles under which the state should pursue justice, with a careful eye towards how the state is liable to twist those principles to hurt the least politically empowered.
- iknownothing52 8y ago
  if your bar is running every tactic possible to keep you there and drinking and ignoring the consequences of it then yes i think they would have to answer for that.
  - dnautics 8y ago
    That's a dangerous call to make. An Orlando nightclub once ran every tactic to keep its patrons there, and they fell victim to a predator. If the nightclub weren't working so hard to keep its patrons there, fewer people would have been victimized Are they liable? Why or why not?
    - jedmeyers 8y ago
      They might be liable for not adequately protecting the patrons, for example. My uninformed personal opinion is that they are not liable in this case since they did have a security guard, but that guard is also being sued (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2018/06/08/pulse-nightclub-security-guard-once-hailed-a-hero-is-being-sued-by-victims-of-the-mass-shooting/?utm_term=.bb825c3be437 https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2018/06/0...). Otherwise yes, it is quite possible to be liable for whatever happens on your private property. If drug deals are taking place between third parties in your house won’t you be liable? If you allowed those parties there you most definitely will be.
      - dnautics 8y ago
        You're still punting the ethical question to a question of law. If someone is on your property and a car off the street swerves into your property and kills them surely you wouldn't be liable... or let's say a meteor hits your guest. Surely there is a limit to where liability kicks in. Where should that limit be and why
        jedmeyers 8y ago
        If your business is in letting the cars swerve onto your driveway then you will be liable. Don’t compare normal and regular human behavior on a platform to a meteor hitting the guests.