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I don't believe this needs to be the case. Joining the EU gave British Citizens new rights by treaty. I think it should always be easier to grant more rights a

by soneil 8y ago

I don't believe this needs to be the case. Joining the EU gave British Citizens new rights by treaty. I think it should always be easier to grant more rights and more difficult to strip them.

mbrumlow 8y ago
What rights did they gain ?
- soneil 8y ago
  I currently have the right to live & work in 28 countries. I do not know if I'll have that right in 6 weeks time. (Still, today, 6 weeks out, no-one can tell me what will happen to those rights. Which is quite awkward for me personally, as I currently live & work in one of those countries. You can imagine I quite readily agree with the supposition that we can't trust the current system to handle this well.)
  - dingaling 8y ago
    Just as a note, one doesn't have an unrestricted right to live in other EU countries: "Your host country can ask you to leave if you cannot prove that you have a realistic chance of finding work there.” https://europa.eu/youreurope/citizens/residence/residence-rights/jobseekers/index_en.htm https://europa.eu/youreurope/citizens/residence/residence-ri... In terms of working some countries also apply restrictions on classes of jobs ( e.g. civil service ) or quotas on non-nationals. It's not as laissez-faire as often portrayed.
    - morsch 8y ago
      EU citizens have the right of residence for longer than three months if they - are workers or self-employed persons in the host Member State or are seeking employment (for a certain length of time); - are not in employment or are students or trainees and have sufficient resources and comprehensive health insurance cover; - have the right of permanent residence (following legal residence of five years). - Family members, regardless of their citizenship, accompanying or joining an EU citizen who satisfies these conditions also have the right of residence for more than three months. So the underlying idea is that in order to reside for more than three months in another Member State, EU citizens must have sufficient resources for themselves and their family members not to become a burden on the social assistance system of the host Member State. https://www.bmi.bund.de/EN/topics/migration/law-on-foreigners/freedom-of-movement/freedom-of-movement-node.html https://www.bmi.bund.de/EN/topics/migration/law-on-foreigner...
    - jotm 8y ago
      And if countries actually applied some of those rules, they'd have fewer problems with EU immigrants.
buffaloo 8y ago
It is a fallacy to suppose British citizens gained rights by diluting their votes with tens of millions of European votes. That is a loss of rights, not a gain. As an elected official, I know first hand that the smaller the population of my constituency, the more responsive I can and must be.
- Wowfunhappy 8y ago
  The smaller the population of your constituency, the more responsive you can be to the individuals in your consistency, but the less money and influence you have to actually address their needs. In the US, there's a reason national politics tends to get more attention and news coverage than state politics, much less city/county politics. (In this case, I genuinely think that local politics receives too little attention, but that's neither here nor there.)

by soneil 8y ago

I don't believe this needs to be the case. Joining the EU gave British Citizens new rights by treaty. I think it should always be easier to grant more rights and more difficult to strip them.

mbrumlow 8y ago

What rights did they gain ?

soneil 8y ago
I currently have the right to live & work in 28 countries. I do not know if I'll have that right in 6 weeks time. (Still, today, 6 weeks out, no-one can tell me what will happen to those rights. Which is quite awkward for me personally, as I currently live & work in one of those countries. You can imagine I quite readily agree with the supposition that we can't trust the current system to handle this well.)
- dingaling 8y ago
  Just as a note, one doesn't have an unrestricted right to live in other EU countries: "Your host country can ask you to leave if you cannot prove that you have a realistic chance of finding work there.” https://europa.eu/youreurope/citizens/residence/residence-rights/jobseekers/index_en.htm https://europa.eu/youreurope/citizens/residence/residence-ri... In terms of working some countries also apply restrictions on classes of jobs ( e.g. civil service ) or quotas on non-nationals. It's not as laissez-faire as often portrayed.
  - morsch 8y ago
    EU citizens have the right of residence for longer than three months if they - are workers or self-employed persons in the host Member State or are seeking employment (for a certain length of time); - are not in employment or are students or trainees and have sufficient resources and comprehensive health insurance cover; - have the right of permanent residence (following legal residence of five years). - Family members, regardless of their citizenship, accompanying or joining an EU citizen who satisfies these conditions also have the right of residence for more than three months. So the underlying idea is that in order to reside for more than three months in another Member State, EU citizens must have sufficient resources for themselves and their family members not to become a burden on the social assistance system of the host Member State. https://www.bmi.bund.de/EN/topics/migration/law-on-foreigners/freedom-of-movement/freedom-of-movement-node.html https://www.bmi.bund.de/EN/topics/migration/law-on-foreigner...
  - jotm 8y ago
    And if countries actually applied some of those rules, they'd have fewer problems with EU immigrants.

buffaloo 8y ago

It is a fallacy to suppose British citizens gained rights by diluting their votes with tens of millions of European votes. That is a loss of rights, not a gain. As an elected official, I know first hand that the smaller the population of my constituency, the more responsive I can and must be.

Wowfunhappy 8y ago
The smaller the population of your constituency, the more responsive you can be to the individuals in your consistency, but the less money and influence you have to actually address their needs. In the US, there's a reason national politics tends to get more attention and news coverage than state politics, much less city/county politics. (In this case, I genuinely think that local politics receives too little attention, but that's neither here nor there.)