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What's the best alternative way to minimize the number of people in the country illegally? It's fine enough to say this option sucks, but you have to bring a b
by towaway1138 8y ago
What's the best alternative way to minimize the number of people in the country illegally?
It's fine enough to say this option sucks, but you have to bring a better one.
- AnimalMuppet 8y agoOr you have to deny that people in this country illegally is a problem. (I don't agree with that position, but it is a logically valid one.)
- towaway1138 8y agoIt's a valid position I guess. But having illegal status opens you up to all kinds of exploitation, violence, etc. It'd be hard to argue that this is a good alternative.
- AnimalMuppet 8y agoSo I meant that people could deny that there was any need to control the number of people who entered the country. That is, that there was no need to control the border. But as you point out, that position would probably require you to abolish "illegal" as a status. That is, if you're here, you're just like a citizen.
- dllthomas 8y agoOr at least "just like a legal permanent resident."
- AnimalMuppet 8y agoYeah, that's better.
- towaway1138 8y agoNot five years ago I uttered that very thought. But more recent events, in Europe for example, utterly demolish the sentiment. The rate of immigration must be carefully controlled if disaster is to be avoided. You can bake a cake at 350, but nothing good will come of baking it at 3500 (much less 35,000).
- krapp 8y ago> What's the best alternative way to minimize the number of people in the country illegally? Make it easier to immigrate legally.
- belorn 8y agoSweden recently had a government study that showed the economics per immigrant (tax vs costs), which came down to a overall cost to society for a the observed period of one generation. The author said that this mean immigration could be viewed as humanitarian aid and balanced as such. Has there been similar studies in the US?
- dragonwriter 8y ago> What's the best alternative way to minimize the number of people in the country illegally? Fix the rules on allocating legal slots to be sensible, starting with aligning supply with demand by eliminating the per country proportion limit of the global allocation in each category would be the best alternative, but you don't need the best to be a better alternative. > It's fine enough to say this option sucks, but you have to bring a better one. Literally doing nothing would be better, on a net benefit after costs perspective, then building a wall.
- towaway1138 8y agoGiven the numbers involved, the _cost_ of the wall seems like a very minor issue. I'm far more open to arguments about who is harmed by the alternatives and to what degree.