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As someone who grew up on a farm: there are entirely reasonable ways to define standards of livestock welfare that don't require veganism.
by i80and 8y ago
As someone who grew up on a farm: there are entirely reasonable ways to define standards of livestock welfare that don't require veganism.
- philwelch 8y agoThis is true, but the bulk of this hyperbolic criticism comes from vegans, and they're going to use terms like "animal cruelty" no matter what livestock welfare standards you set.
- ceejayoz 8y agoDo you dispute that current lifestock welfare standards in the meat/dairy/egg/etc. industries permit what most would agree is animal cruelty if the same things were done to, say, the family dog?
- philwelch 8y agoMy point is, it would have been clearer and more honest to use the term “factory farming” if you’re talking about factory farming. I don’t know or care much about factory farming itself.
- ceejayoz 8y agoThat's a bit disingenuous, isn't it? This particular thread of comments started when you reacted to criticism of "cheap factory-farmed meat".
- philwelch 8y agoBecause that's when it became clear that's what was meant by "animal cruelty" in the first place, at least by the person I was responding to.
- fiter 8y agoI'm pretty unconvinced. I don't see any reason to believe your line of reasoning; that the original poster is a hyperbolic vegan. Do you have anything beyond your assertion?
- philwelch 8y agoWho else would derail comments on an article about Amazon cancelling their NYC expansion with tangential and disingenuous discussions about factory farms? Also, the way different accounts seem to seamlessly continue a deep and tangential discussion thread is also kind of suspicious. Almost like it’s one person who keeps switching alt accounts.
- jpatokal 8y agoWell, either it's a sockpuppet conspiracy (go ahead, check out my post history), or multiple people agree that your hyperbolic snark was not constructive. I'll freely admit we've come a pretty long from Amazon's HQ though!
- philwelch 8y agoI like how using the term “animal cruelty” isn’t hyperbolic, but using the term “vegan” is.
- newsgremlin 8y agoThis off-topic debate started because of the assertion that it's the vocal minority that have rejected Amazon. The discussion on industrial animal cruelty for cheap produce is an example of how the wants of the majority doesn't always produce the best outcome for the well-being of other people, creatures, and the environment. Regardless of peoples eating lifestyles it's undeniable that factory farms which produce most of the economically accessible meat are little concerned about animal welfare or the environment. The public on this matter also are least concerned about these matters related to the meat they buy off supermarket shelves, only when it's a video of a 'cute' animal being abused. It is only the minority of people in this instance that take a principled stance, if the silent majority did care we wouldn't be producing so much factory farmed meat after years of publicizing the abuse in the media. I'm not a vegan but the way you characterize anyone who has a 'minority view' as some radical that only wants to cause problems is the attitude that allows corporations to operate it's abuse of worker standards and public funding to no one else's gain but themselves.
- windowsworkstoo 8y agoYes, I dispute that, if we are talking about Australia. As a farmer (both meat and crop), the better you look after your stock, the more you make from them. There is no incentive for cruelty and it will cost you money. Admittedly, we don't have feedlots on the same scale as the US and the majority of beasts go pasture to plate fairly quickly.
- jpatokal 8y agoNot all farm animals in Australia are free range cows. For example, cage eggs and sow stalls are still legal.