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Trump is going to win reelection in 2020 isn't he?

AnimalMuppet 8y ago
Depends on if the Democrats can find someone less horrible than Hillary to run against him. He's not (I trust) going to win by declaring an emergency and using that to rig or abolish the election. He might win by declaring the emergency in order to do what he wants to with the border, if enough people agree with what he does with the border.
- rasz 8y ago
  There already will be ongoing state of emergency, too dangerous for open elections etc.
  - dragonwriter 8y ago
    > There already will be ongoing state of emergency, There have been several overlapping states of emergency for the last several elections; in fact, the US has been in a State of Emergency with regard to Iran since 1979; there are, I believe, in the neighborhood of 30 active states of emergency.
    - belorn 8y ago
      Thank you. I didn't know this and looked it up on wikipedia, which lists them here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_national_emergencies_in_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_national_emergencies_i... Apparently trump has already issued three such State of Emergencies. Is this just sloppy journalism that describe this as a unique event, or is this new one different in some legal sense?
      - dragonwriter 8y ago
        It is, I believe, unprecedented to use a state of emergency to achieve a policy end which Congress has been asked to support and declined to do so. It may likewise be unprecedented to use a state of emergency to address a long-ongoing condition for which there is no relevant emergent change triggering the declaration. So, yes, a declaration here would be new and different.
- krapp 8y ago
  At some point Trump supporters are going to have to stop bringing up Hillary and realize they bought a lemon. It's one thing to vote against Hillary Clinton, even though that's not actually a thing you can do in an election, but... Trump has proven himself to be not good at his job, not effective at communicating, or governing, or even negotiation.
  - AnimalMuppet 8y ago
    We had two lemons in that election, and a bunch of people voted for the one that they thought would be less sour. Will they think the same after (so to speak) having to actually taste that sourness for four years? Plausibly not. But the Dems could really help themselves by running someone with less flaws and less baggage. (Though it might be impossible to find someone with more baggage than Trump...)
finnthehuman 8y ago
Yup. And the echo chamber is never going to see it coming. Again.

Depends on if the Democrats can find someone less horrible than Hillary to run against him. He's not (I trust) going to win by declaring an emergency and using that to rig or abolish the election. He might win by declaring the emergency in order to do what he wants to with the border, if enough people agree with what he does with the border.

rasz 8y ago
There already will be ongoing state of emergency, too dangerous for open elections etc.
- dragonwriter 8y ago
  > There already will be ongoing state of emergency, There have been several overlapping states of emergency for the last several elections; in fact, the US has been in a State of Emergency with regard to Iran since 1979; there are, I believe, in the neighborhood of 30 active states of emergency.
  - belorn 8y ago
    Thank you. I didn't know this and looked it up on wikipedia, which lists them here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_national_emergencies_in_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_national_emergencies_i... Apparently trump has already issued three such State of Emergencies. Is this just sloppy journalism that describe this as a unique event, or is this new one different in some legal sense?
    - dragonwriter 8y ago
      It is, I believe, unprecedented to use a state of emergency to achieve a policy end which Congress has been asked to support and declined to do so. It may likewise be unprecedented to use a state of emergency to address a long-ongoing condition for which there is no relevant emergent change triggering the declaration. So, yes, a declaration here would be new and different.
krapp 8y ago
At some point Trump supporters are going to have to stop bringing up Hillary and realize they bought a lemon. It's one thing to vote against Hillary Clinton, even though that's not actually a thing you can do in an election, but... Trump has proven himself to be not good at his job, not effective at communicating, or governing, or even negotiation.
- AnimalMuppet 8y ago
  We had two lemons in that election, and a bunch of people voted for the one that they thought would be less sour. Will they think the same after (so to speak) having to actually taste that sourness for four years? Plausibly not. But the Dems could really help themselves by running someone with less flaws and less baggage. (Though it might be impossible to find someone with more baggage than Trump...)

finnthehuman 8y ago

Yup. And the echo chamber is never going to see it coming. Again.