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What's the debate about animal cruelty?
by hart_russell 8y ago
What's the debate about animal cruelty?
- jpatokal 8y agoMost people are quite happy to keeping buying cheap factory-farmed meat and dairy, despite vague awareness of the generally horrific conditions of the animals (and humans) producing it.
- philwelch 8y agoOh, so “animal cruelty” is Newspeak for not being vegan.
- i80and 8y agoAs someone who grew up on a farm: there are entirely reasonable ways to define standards of livestock welfare that don't require veganism.
- philwelch 8y agoThis is true, but the bulk of this hyperbolic criticism comes from vegans, and they're going to use terms like "animal cruelty" no matter what livestock welfare standards you set.
- ceejayoz 8y agoDo you dispute that current lifestock welfare standards in the meat/dairy/egg/etc. industries permit what most would agree is animal cruelty if the same things were done to, say, the family dog?
- philwelch 8y agoMy point is, it would have been clearer and more honest to use the term “factory farming” if you’re talking about factory farming. I don’t know or care much about factory farming itself.
- ceejayoz 8y agoThat's a bit disingenuous, isn't it? This particular thread of comments started when you reacted to criticism of "cheap factory-farmed meat".
- philwelch 8y agoBecause that's when it became clear that's what was meant by "animal cruelty" in the first place, at least by the person I was responding to.
- fiter 8y agoI'm pretty unconvinced. I don't see any reason to believe your line of reasoning; that the original poster is a hyperbolic vegan. Do you have anything beyond your assertion?
- philwelch 8y agoWho else would derail comments on an article about Amazon cancelling their NYC expansion with tangential and disingenuous discussions about factory farms? Also, the way different accounts seem to seamlessly continue a deep and tangential discussion thread is also kind of suspicious. Almost like it’s one person who keeps switching alt accounts.
- jpatokal 8y agoWell, either it's a sockpuppet conspiracy (go ahead, check out my post history), or multiple people agree that your hyperbolic snark was not constructive. I'll freely admit we've come a pretty long from Amazon's HQ though!
- philwelch 8y agoI like how using the term “animal cruelty” isn’t hyperbolic, but using the term “vegan” is.
- windowsworkstoo 8y agoYes, I dispute that, if we are talking about Australia. As a farmer (both meat and crop), the better you look after your stock, the more you make from them. There is no incentive for cruelty and it will cost you money. Admittedly, we don't have feedlots on the same scale as the US and the majority of beasts go pasture to plate fairly quickly.
- jpatokal 8y agoNot all farm animals in Australia are free range cows. For example, cage eggs and sow stalls are still legal.
- ianleeclark 8y agoI mean, Veganism is the easiest way of avoiding animal cruelty.
- philwelch 8y agoUnless you have a cat and refuse to feed it meat. That’s cruel to the cat, in my opinion. Edit: Cats are obligate carnivores and can't physically remain healthy without eating meat.
- plink 8y agoThen there's the flip side with creeps like me. I'm a plant sadist who feeds tofu to my Venus flytrap.
- wolco 8y agoIt is rarely labeled that way so the history of the animal doesn't come into play when purchasing. When people think animal cruelity they think beating your family dog vs the state of factory farming or organic farming.
- codyb 8y agoTo continue this thread I suppose... I've been thinking a lot about trying to purchase pasture raised and sustainable meat products lately and part of that has been buying pasture raised eggs. My last incredibly priced carton actually included a little slip inside with pictures of the hens in their pasture, and I believe even an offer to visit their farm. Was really nice to go the other way. Instead of thinking about or ignoring the cruelty, to think about these happy hens. But damn is it expensive!
- justtopost 8y agoLoud minority of Vegans vs everyone else.