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> At some point, New Yorkers ought to ask themselves why everyone wants to move to these nice midwestern cities. Not sure why you chose the midwest as a qualif

> At some point, New Yorkers ought to ask themselves why everyone wants to move to these nice midwestern cities. Not sure why you chose the midwest as a qualifier here - out of all the cities you listed, only Omaha would be considered a midwestern city. Out of the 15 fastest growing cities according to the Census, almost none of them are in the midwest [1] (Only one really: Columbus). Admittedly it's over a short time span. Also: #5 is LA, a city I don't think anyone would consider to be low cost of living. The real story is that the south (+ Texas, depending on what you consider Texas) seems to be growing rapidly, not the midwest. 1: https://www.census.gov/newsroom/press-releases/2018/estimates-cities.html https://www.census.gov/newsroom/press-releases/2018/estimate...

saemil 8y ago
Columbus is considered the midwest? It is North and EAST of Nashville.
- wgerard 8y ago
  Ohio is definitely considered the midwest.
RPLong 8y ago
I mean, you could focus on whether the word "midwest" is accurate, or you could take my point that there is a reason why people are moving out of places like NYC in favor of less dense cities that don't smell like urine.
- wgerard 8y ago
  > I mean, you could focus on whether the word "midwest" is accurate It's actually pretty important, because the crux of your argument is that they're moving to places with much a lower CoL. If people are moving from NYC to LA/Seattle/etc., your argument doesn't really hold much water. > or you could take my point that there is a reason why people are moving out of places like NYC in favor of less dense cities that don't smell like urine. Where are you getting that information from? As far as I can tell, NYC has had about a 6% population growth since 2010. It actually matches the US overall population growth pretty well, which is pretty impressive for what is far and away the most populated city in the country.
  - RPLong 8y ago
    > If people are moving from NYC to LA/Seattle/etc., your argument doesn't really hold much water. Gee, I don't remember mentioning "LA/Seattle/etc." by name. Unlike some other cities that I mentioned by name. Did you see the part where I mentioned cities by name? > As far as I can tell, NYC has had about a 6% population growth since 2010. It actually matches the US overall population growth pretty well Great, now compare that to the growth rates of Dallas or Nashville or etc.
    - wgerard 8y ago
      > Gee, I don't remember mentioning "LA/Seattle/etc." by name. Unlike some other cities that I mentioned by name. Did you see the part where I mentioned cities by name? You mentioned some cities by name that have growing populations, with the implication being that they're moving FROM the city TO those places. If the the influx in Nashville is from Louisiana, then who cares? What does that have to do with NYC or people chasing lower CoL areas? > Great, now compare that to the growth rates of Dallas or Nashville or etc. Great! Let's see how they continue to grow once they reach NYC's size. Adding 3% to a city as large as NYC is significantly different from adding 3% to Omaha. For example, Nashville's population is about where NYC was at right around the civil war. Sounds like we'll have to wait a bit.
      - RPLong 8y ago
        I mentioned cities by name that have booming tech sectors and an influx of corporate headquarters. If the influx in Nashville is from Louisiana, that's still important, because it represents an influx that previously would have gone to some other city where there are attractive jobs. NYC used to be one of those cities, and now compared to Nashville it has far less to offer than it did in previous decades. Do you understand my point now? It does not matter whether Nashville's population ever equals that of NYC. The population growth spread across 5 cities in formerly rural areas represents growth that otherwise would have gone to the great economic hubs of the nation, which must now compete for job applicants on something other than the MOMA and the smell of urine in the streets. Because, if NYC doesn't compete, then it loses the best job applicants to places like Nashville. That's how equilibria work.

saemil 8y ago

Columbus is considered the midwest? It is North and EAST of Nashville.

wgerard 8y ago
Ohio is definitely considered the midwest.

RPLong 8y ago

I mean, you could focus on whether the word "midwest" is accurate, or you could take my point that there is a reason why people are moving out of places like NYC in favor of less dense cities that don't smell like urine.

wgerard 8y ago
> I mean, you could focus on whether the word "midwest" is accurate It's actually pretty important, because the crux of your argument is that they're moving to places with much a lower CoL. If people are moving from NYC to LA/Seattle/etc., your argument doesn't really hold much water. > or you could take my point that there is a reason why people are moving out of places like NYC in favor of less dense cities that don't smell like urine. Where are you getting that information from? As far as I can tell, NYC has had about a 6% population growth since 2010. It actually matches the US overall population growth pretty well, which is pretty impressive for what is far and away the most populated city in the country.
- RPLong 8y ago
  > If people are moving from NYC to LA/Seattle/etc., your argument doesn't really hold much water. Gee, I don't remember mentioning "LA/Seattle/etc." by name. Unlike some other cities that I mentioned by name. Did you see the part where I mentioned cities by name? > As far as I can tell, NYC has had about a 6% population growth since 2010. It actually matches the US overall population growth pretty well Great, now compare that to the growth rates of Dallas or Nashville or etc.
  - wgerard 8y ago
    > Gee, I don't remember mentioning "LA/Seattle/etc." by name. Unlike some other cities that I mentioned by name. Did you see the part where I mentioned cities by name? You mentioned some cities by name that have growing populations, with the implication being that they're moving FROM the city TO those places. If the the influx in Nashville is from Louisiana, then who cares? What does that have to do with NYC or people chasing lower CoL areas? > Great, now compare that to the growth rates of Dallas or Nashville or etc. Great! Let's see how they continue to grow once they reach NYC's size. Adding 3% to a city as large as NYC is significantly different from adding 3% to Omaha. For example, Nashville's population is about where NYC was at right around the civil war. Sounds like we'll have to wait a bit.
    - RPLong 8y ago
      I mentioned cities by name that have booming tech sectors and an influx of corporate headquarters. If the influx in Nashville is from Louisiana, that's still important, because it represents an influx that previously would have gone to some other city where there are attractive jobs. NYC used to be one of those cities, and now compared to Nashville it has far less to offer than it did in previous decades. Do you understand my point now? It does not matter whether Nashville's population ever equals that of NYC. The population growth spread across 5 cities in formerly rural areas represents growth that otherwise would have gone to the great economic hubs of the nation, which must now compete for job applicants on something other than the MOMA and the smell of urine in the streets. Because, if NYC doesn't compete, then it loses the best job applicants to places like Nashville. That's how equilibria work.