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Doubling their office there still pales in comparison to the headcount projected for LIC. 7K max vs. 25k targeted for Amazon. Amazon already has a presence in

Doubling their office there still pales in comparison to the headcount projected for LIC. 7K max vs. 25k targeted for Amazon. Amazon already has a presence in NYC.

taude 8y ago
Would be interesting to know how many employees Amazon currently has in NY. I wouldn't be surprised to find out it's already in the thousands.
- chimeracoder 8y ago
  > Would be interesting to know how many employees Amazon currently has in NY. I wouldn't be surprised to find out it's already in the thousands. Amazon already has an office in New York City, as well as a sizeable presence in New Jersey just outside the city limits (within commuting distance), split between two New Jersey offices, last I checked.
- aaronbrethorst 8y ago
  2,000 salaried and 3,000 warehouse at the end of 2017: https://www.bizjournals.com/newyork/news/2017/09/21/amazon-bringing-2-000-employees-to-new-york-city.html https://www.bizjournals.com/newyork/news/2017/09/21/amazon-b...
- WaltPurvis 8y ago
  Uh, the statement itself says: "There are currently over 5,000 Amazon employees in Brooklyn, Manhattan, and Staten Island, and we plan to continue growing these teams."
- NathanKP 8y ago
  It is in the Amazon statement: "There are currently over 5,000 Amazon employees in Brooklyn, Manhattan, and Staten Island, and we plan to continue growing these teams." Disclaimer, I'm one of those 5k. Currently I work from home 99% of the time because the office spaces Amazon has in NY aren't fantastic. It would have been nice to have a new headquarters building, but I'll still be enjoying working from home now I guess.
  - taude 8y ago
    Thanks, I missed that (I stopped after a couple paragraphs). I did do a quick Google Search after I searched for how many Googlers are in NYC. (Was verifying there's actually 7K.) It's pretty amazing how large some of the non-home offices are at these mega tech companies.
  - badfrog 8y ago
    > There are currently over 5,000 Amazon employees in Brooklyn, Manhattan, and Staten Island How many of those are working in tech? When I interviewed at Amazon NYC in 2016, I think there were only around 100 software engineers there. Has it grown a lot since then?
walrus01 8y ago
Worth noting that Google owns all of 111 8th in NYC. They're slowly not renewing leases for existing tenants and taking over the whole building. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/111_Eighth_Avenue https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/111_Eighth_Avenue 111 8th is a major internet traffic exchange point. It's also gargantuan, it's 2.9 million square feet and occupies a whole city block. One of the interesting things about 111 8th is that it was designed for much higher than normal pounds per square foot floor loading. Which means that Google could convert the entire thing to datacenter space if they really wanted to. Already a significant portion of it is conditioned datacenter/telecom space run by tenants.
- CydeWeys 8y ago
  And Chelsea Market too. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chelsea_Market https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chelsea_Market These real estate acquisitions were so large that they explicitly needed to be called out on the quarterly earnings calls to explain why CapEx exploded for that quarter.
- pastor_elm 8y ago
  I imagine they're getting decent bang for their buck when hiring in NYC. Really the COL adjusted wages in NYC are some of the lowest for all American tech cities.
  - akhilcacharya 8y ago
    ...except (at least for Amazon) they pay more in NYC, and of all companies Google doesn't exactly exercise frugality wrt compensation.
  - gipp 8y ago
    If levels.fyi is any indication, Google NYC comp is only marginally lower than SV, if at all.
  - sjjshvuiajhz 8y ago
    Why would they care about getting a good bargain in “COL adjusted wages”? Even in NYC there is not a currency exchange Google can go to to turn $100k Florida dollars into $200k New York dollars.
puzzle 8y ago
I think that 7K is just employees: "employs more than...". That is a deliberate distinction from "workers". I wouldn't be surprised if the count passed 10K once you considered contractors. They're mostly in non-engineering roles: cafe staff, recruiters, marketing, physical security (did those get converted to employees like they were doing in Mountain View?), facilities, etc.
bogomipz 8y ago
How do actual numbers pale in comparison to a number that was nothing more than projected for some hazy undetermined future date? That 25K number was only ever qualified as "over the next decade." Google on the other hand bought 111 8th ave 8 years ago(houses 7K employees) and now they are opening a new space in the same area that will house an additional 12K more employees[1]. That will bring their total to 19K employees in a 10 year time frame. And this was all done without extracting corporate subsidies and without all the pageantry. [1] https://www.wsj.com/articles/google-plans-large-new-york-city-expansion-1541636579 https://www.wsj.com/articles/google-plans-large-new-york-cit...

Doubling their office there still pales in comparison to the headcount projected for LIC. 7K max vs. 25k targeted for Amazon. Amazon already has a presence in NYC.

taude 8y ago

Would be interesting to know how many employees Amazon currently has in NY. I wouldn't be surprised to find out it's already in the thousands.

chimeracoder 8y ago
> Would be interesting to know how many employees Amazon currently has in NY. I wouldn't be surprised to find out it's already in the thousands. Amazon already has an office in New York City, as well as a sizeable presence in New Jersey just outside the city limits (within commuting distance), split between two New Jersey offices, last I checked.
aaronbrethorst 8y ago
2,000 salaried and 3,000 warehouse at the end of 2017: https://www.bizjournals.com/newyork/news/2017/09/21/amazon-bringing-2-000-employees-to-new-york-city.html https://www.bizjournals.com/newyork/news/2017/09/21/amazon-b...
WaltPurvis 8y ago
Uh, the statement itself says: "There are currently over 5,000 Amazon employees in Brooklyn, Manhattan, and Staten Island, and we plan to continue growing these teams."
NathanKP 8y ago
It is in the Amazon statement: "There are currently over 5,000 Amazon employees in Brooklyn, Manhattan, and Staten Island, and we plan to continue growing these teams." Disclaimer, I'm one of those 5k. Currently I work from home 99% of the time because the office spaces Amazon has in NY aren't fantastic. It would have been nice to have a new headquarters building, but I'll still be enjoying working from home now I guess.
- taude 8y ago
  Thanks, I missed that (I stopped after a couple paragraphs). I did do a quick Google Search after I searched for how many Googlers are in NYC. (Was verifying there's actually 7K.) It's pretty amazing how large some of the non-home offices are at these mega tech companies.
- badfrog 8y ago
  > There are currently over 5,000 Amazon employees in Brooklyn, Manhattan, and Staten Island How many of those are working in tech? When I interviewed at Amazon NYC in 2016, I think there were only around 100 software engineers there. Has it grown a lot since then?

walrus01 8y ago

Worth noting that Google owns all of 111 8th in NYC. They're slowly not renewing leases for existing tenants and taking over the whole building. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/111_Eighth_Avenue https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/111_Eighth_Avenue 111 8th is a major internet traffic exchange point. It's also gargantuan, it's 2.9 million square feet and occupies a whole city block. One of the interesting things about 111 8th is that it was designed for much higher than normal pounds per square foot floor loading. Which means that Google could convert the entire thing to datacenter space if they really wanted to. Already a significant portion of it is conditioned datacenter/telecom space run by tenants.

CydeWeys 8y ago
And Chelsea Market too. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chelsea_Market https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chelsea_Market These real estate acquisitions were so large that they explicitly needed to be called out on the quarterly earnings calls to explain why CapEx exploded for that quarter.
pastor_elm 8y ago
I imagine they're getting decent bang for their buck when hiring in NYC. Really the COL adjusted wages in NYC are some of the lowest for all American tech cities.
- akhilcacharya 8y ago
  ...except (at least for Amazon) they pay more in NYC, and of all companies Google doesn't exactly exercise frugality wrt compensation.
- gipp 8y ago
  If levels.fyi is any indication, Google NYC comp is only marginally lower than SV, if at all.
- sjjshvuiajhz 8y ago
  Why would they care about getting a good bargain in “COL adjusted wages”? Even in NYC there is not a currency exchange Google can go to to turn $100k Florida dollars into $200k New York dollars.

puzzle 8y ago

I think that 7K is just employees: "employs more than...". That is a deliberate distinction from "workers". I wouldn't be surprised if the count passed 10K once you considered contractors. They're mostly in non-engineering roles: cafe staff, recruiters, marketing, physical security (did those get converted to employees like they were doing in Mountain View?), facilities, etc.

bogomipz 8y ago

How do actual numbers pale in comparison to a number that was nothing more than projected for some hazy undetermined future date? That 25K number was only ever qualified as "over the next decade." Google on the other hand bought 111 8th ave 8 years ago(houses 7K employees) and now they are opening a new space in the same area that will house an additional 12K more employees[1]. That will bring their total to 19K employees in a 10 year time frame. And this was all done without extracting corporate subsidies and without all the pageantry. [1] https://www.wsj.com/articles/google-plans-large-new-york-city-expansion-1541636579 https://www.wsj.com/articles/google-plans-large-new-york-cit...