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This is neat. For anyone wondering why not just record the moves on your phone: Digital devices are not allowed at over-the-board tournament games.

by gk1 8y ago

V-2 8y ago
Writing moves down on a scoresheet is a requirement in chess tournaments anyway (in classical time control at least).
noir_lord 8y ago
Not true* FIDE (and anything under FIDE rules) does certify some purpose built digital recording devices, they are hilariously expensive and hilariously crap but they exist. * https://www.monroi.com/products/personal-chess-manager.html https://www.monroi.com/products/personal-chess-manager.html
- beefman 8y ago
  I really like Chess Score Pad for iOS, but it's not approved for tournament use. I like ChessNoteR almost as much, and it's USCF-approved. Not FIDE-approved yet, but they're working on it. https://www.chessnoter.com https://www.chessnoter.com
- tzs 8y ago
  For the curious, the FIDE requirements for electronic score sheets are in this document [1]. The USCF certification requirements are here [2]. This also includes a list of USCF certified electronic scoresheets. [1] https://www.fide.com/FIDE/handbook/Standards_of_Chess_Equipment_and_tournament_venue.pdf https://www.fide.com/FIDE/handbook/Standards_of_Chess_Equipm... [2] https://www.uschess.org/docs/gov/reports/eScoresheets/CertificationGuidelines.pdf https://www.uschess.org/docs/gov/reports/eScoresheets/Certif...
gmiller123456 8y ago
As others have pointed out, there are digital scoresheets. But further, digital devices are not banned at OTB tournaments, most players will have a cell phone, and might even text or take calls. It's only in high stakes tournaments that you'll see cell phones banned, but even then it's only for the players. It's still perfectly legal, and extremely common for the game to be video recorded.
- radiator 8y ago
  I am not aware of what you mean by "high stakes tournaments". All official tournaments, even when only amateurs play, actually ban cell phones since about 15 years ago. https://www.fide.com/FIDE/handbook/Anti%20Cheating%20Guidelines.pdf https://www.fide.com/FIDE/handbook/Anti%20Cheating%20Guideli... 11.3.b. During play, a player is forbidden to have a mobile phone and/or other device capable of processing or transmitting chess analysis in the playing venue. If it is evident that a player brought such a device into the playing venue, he shall lose the game. The opponent shall win. The rules of a competition may specify a different, less severe, penalty.
  - munk-a 8y ago
    That rule only seems to apply to devices the player controls themselves, so if the tournament had a recording device or if both players jointly sponsored a recording device it doesn't appear it would trigger that rule. I'd also imagine that this rule's enforcement would be relaxed when, for instance, a player sets up a phone to record the game and has no access to that phone during the game, since any information the phone is recording (and any resulting processing for cheating) would be inaccessible to the user during the game.
- theli0nheart 8y ago
  > But further, digital devices are not banned at OTB tournaments, most players will have a cell phone, and might even text or take calls. I guess this may vary by country, but at least in the USA, phones have been banned in every "novice" tournament that I've participated in. Even books are off limits.
paulddraper 8y ago
Digital devices are allowed, as long as that device is a "Chess Notation Device". This enables you to record and replace moves (including helping forecasting moves). If everyone used these devices, then problem solved. But I've only see someone using it once. Good chess players tend to already be good at visualizing past, present, and future positions.

This is neat. For anyone wondering why not just record the moves on your phone: Digital devices are not allowed at over-the-board tournament games.

by gk1 8y ago

This is neat. For anyone wondering why not just record the moves on your phone: Digital devices are not allowed at over-the-board tournament games.

V-2 8y ago

Writing moves down on a scoresheet is a requirement in chess tournaments anyway (in classical time control at least).

noir_lord 8y ago

Not true* FIDE (and anything under FIDE rules) does certify some purpose built digital recording devices, they are hilariously expensive and hilariously crap but they exist. * https://www.monroi.com/products/personal-chess-manager.html https://www.monroi.com/products/personal-chess-manager.html

beefman 8y ago
I really like Chess Score Pad for iOS, but it's not approved for tournament use. I like ChessNoteR almost as much, and it's USCF-approved. Not FIDE-approved yet, but they're working on it. https://www.chessnoter.com https://www.chessnoter.com
tzs 8y ago
For the curious, the FIDE requirements for electronic score sheets are in this document [1]. The USCF certification requirements are here [2]. This also includes a list of USCF certified electronic scoresheets. [1] https://www.fide.com/FIDE/handbook/Standards_of_Chess_Equipment_and_tournament_venue.pdf https://www.fide.com/FIDE/handbook/Standards_of_Chess_Equipm... [2] https://www.uschess.org/docs/gov/reports/eScoresheets/CertificationGuidelines.pdf https://www.uschess.org/docs/gov/reports/eScoresheets/Certif...

gmiller123456 8y ago

As others have pointed out, there are digital scoresheets. But further, digital devices are not banned at OTB tournaments, most players will have a cell phone, and might even text or take calls. It's only in high stakes tournaments that you'll see cell phones banned, but even then it's only for the players. It's still perfectly legal, and extremely common for the game to be video recorded.

radiator 8y ago
I am not aware of what you mean by "high stakes tournaments". All official tournaments, even when only amateurs play, actually ban cell phones since about 15 years ago. https://www.fide.com/FIDE/handbook/Anti%20Cheating%20Guidelines.pdf https://www.fide.com/FIDE/handbook/Anti%20Cheating%20Guideli... 11.3.b. During play, a player is forbidden to have a mobile phone and/or other device capable of processing or transmitting chess analysis in the playing venue. If it is evident that a player brought such a device into the playing venue, he shall lose the game. The opponent shall win. The rules of a competition may specify a different, less severe, penalty.
- munk-a 8y ago
  That rule only seems to apply to devices the player controls themselves, so if the tournament had a recording device or if both players jointly sponsored a recording device it doesn't appear it would trigger that rule. I'd also imagine that this rule's enforcement would be relaxed when, for instance, a player sets up a phone to record the game and has no access to that phone during the game, since any information the phone is recording (and any resulting processing for cheating) would be inaccessible to the user during the game.
theli0nheart 8y ago
> But further, digital devices are not banned at OTB tournaments, most players will have a cell phone, and might even text or take calls. I guess this may vary by country, but at least in the USA, phones have been banned in every "novice" tournament that I've participated in. Even books are off limits.

paulddraper 8y ago

Digital devices are allowed, as long as that device is a "Chess Notation Device". This enables you to record and replace moves (including helping forecasting moves). If everyone used these devices, then problem solved. But I've only see someone using it once. Good chess players tend to already be good at visualizing past, present, and future positions.