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This just plays into the hands of big businesses at the expense of small ones. What if the company is 25 people and 6 decide to take the leave at the same time?

This just plays into the hands of big businesses at the expense of small ones. What if the company is 25 people and 6 decide to take the leave at the same time? No way they could handle that.

lawik 8y ago
I would say this is fairly uncommon and unlikely to hit any given business. But sure, it puts some strain on businesses. It also seems to work fine. We have companies of many different sizes. I haven't heard a lot of complains about it.
Dahoon 8y ago
Parental leave is paid. If they can't survive 6 months unpaid leave from a worker, then they got a problem. The system with paid leave works fine in all of Scandinavia so how could unpaid leave not.
- Waterluvian 8y ago
  Paid by the employer or by the government? In Canada I get leave but I get paid by the Employment Insurance program (tax). Interestingly it caps off meaning lower income people might get 100% of their salary while I'd get like 30%.
- metaphor 8y ago
  It takes ~9-1/2 months to have a baby; that's a huge planning and coordination window. What would that minimum window look like to my hypothetical employer if I decided on a whim to start a business tomorrow?
  - Ma8ee 8y ago
    We only need to tell the employer 3 months before the planned parental leave though.
  - detaro 8y ago
    You don't need to tell your employer that you need parental leave on the date of conception. similarly, you can't just take this business leave by saying "I'm not coming in next week!". The notice period is actually longer than for parental leave.
  - jfries 8y ago
    In Sweden, you need to tell the employer about the plans to take time off for starting a company 3 months before. That's on par with parental leave, where it's not uncommon to tell the employer 3 months before the delivery.
roenxi 8y ago
I don't expect a 25 person company is paying well enough that 20% of their workforce would take 6 months off unpaid all at once. In the unlikely event that it does happen, use their salary to hire short-term replacements.
- Waterluvian 8y ago
  That's an absurd assertion. Small companies don't pay well? Two of my friends fit this. One works for a land surveyor, the other an engineering consultancy. Both paid very very well. Both about a dozen people company.
- illuminati1911 8y ago
  Except no one wants to have short term temporary job. Also it’s not just the percentage of employees on leave, but also about their position. What if this happens in a startup of 10 people (where they have 2-3 developers) and the person taking the leave is a developer? Company loses 33-50% of its R&D capacity for the next 6 months. That can have catastrophic effect on a startup.
  - icebraining 8y ago
    > Except no one wants to have short term temporary job. Sure they do; that's what contractors often are. I've spent eight months working in Belgium plus three in Luxembourg. It's a great option if you're from a EU country with lower salaries and don't want to permanently migrate, but want to build some savings (plus local employers seem have some fetish for people who worked abroad).
- rorykoehler 8y ago
  Many jobs are hard enough to hire qualified people for key alone for 6 month temp contract.
pluma 8y ago
Small business owner here. If your a significant share of your employees decides to take six months of unpaid leave all at the same time just because it's legal, you have bigger problems than legislation. If anything this helps employees leave shitty companies without the full risk of just quitting entirely. You know how capitalism is about a marketplace of rational actors? Actors will be a lot more rational if they know they can still have a job to fall back on if things don't work out.
afarrell 8y ago
How would the 31-person company handle a bunch of their employees coming back to re-fill positions that had already been filled by someone else?
- metaphor 8y ago
  I'm indifferent to the policy, but one possible way would be conditional employment linked to the return of a sabbatical employee being replaced, or perhaps a fixed probationary period allowing for release without cause.
guipsp 8y ago
Read the article: >Anyone who's been in full-time employment for at least six months is entitled to apply for the unpaid sabbatical, or tjänstledighet, as it's called in Sweden. Employers can only turn the request down if the employee is vital to the business's operations. Also, your new idea can't compete with your existing employer, nor cause them any significant inconvenience.

This just plays into the hands of big businesses at the expense of small ones. What if the company is 25 people and 6 decide to take the leave at the same time? No way they could handle that.

lawik 8y ago

I would say this is fairly uncommon and unlikely to hit any given business. But sure, it puts some strain on businesses. It also seems to work fine. We have companies of many different sizes. I haven't heard a lot of complains about it.

Dahoon 8y ago

Parental leave is paid. If they can't survive 6 months unpaid leave from a worker, then they got a problem. The system with paid leave works fine in all of Scandinavia so how could unpaid leave not.

Waterluvian 8y ago
Paid by the employer or by the government? In Canada I get leave but I get paid by the Employment Insurance program (tax). Interestingly it caps off meaning lower income people might get 100% of their salary while I'd get like 30%.
metaphor 8y ago
It takes ~9-1/2 months to have a baby; that's a huge planning and coordination window. What would that minimum window look like to my hypothetical employer if I decided on a whim to start a business tomorrow?
- Ma8ee 8y ago
  We only need to tell the employer 3 months before the planned parental leave though.
- detaro 8y ago
  You don't need to tell your employer that you need parental leave on the date of conception. similarly, you can't just take this business leave by saying "I'm not coming in next week!". The notice period is actually longer than for parental leave.
- jfries 8y ago
  In Sweden, you need to tell the employer about the plans to take time off for starting a company 3 months before. That's on par with parental leave, where it's not uncommon to tell the employer 3 months before the delivery.

roenxi 8y ago

I don't expect a 25 person company is paying well enough that 20% of their workforce would take 6 months off unpaid all at once. In the unlikely event that it does happen, use their salary to hire short-term replacements.

Waterluvian 8y ago
That's an absurd assertion. Small companies don't pay well? Two of my friends fit this. One works for a land surveyor, the other an engineering consultancy. Both paid very very well. Both about a dozen people company.
illuminati1911 8y ago
Except no one wants to have short term temporary job. Also it’s not just the percentage of employees on leave, but also about their position. What if this happens in a startup of 10 people (where they have 2-3 developers) and the person taking the leave is a developer? Company loses 33-50% of its R&D capacity for the next 6 months. That can have catastrophic effect on a startup.
- icebraining 8y ago
  > Except no one wants to have short term temporary job. Sure they do; that's what contractors often are. I've spent eight months working in Belgium plus three in Luxembourg. It's a great option if you're from a EU country with lower salaries and don't want to permanently migrate, but want to build some savings (plus local employers seem have some fetish for people who worked abroad).
rorykoehler 8y ago
Many jobs are hard enough to hire qualified people for key alone for 6 month temp contract.

pluma 8y ago

Small business owner here. If your a significant share of your employees decides to take six months of unpaid leave all at the same time just because it's legal, you have bigger problems than legislation. If anything this helps employees leave shitty companies without the full risk of just quitting entirely. You know how capitalism is about a marketplace of rational actors? Actors will be a lot more rational if they know they can still have a job to fall back on if things don't work out.

afarrell 8y ago

How would the 31-person company handle a bunch of their employees coming back to re-fill positions that had already been filled by someone else?

metaphor 8y ago
I'm indifferent to the policy, but one possible way would be conditional employment linked to the return of a sabbatical employee being replaced, or perhaps a fixed probationary period allowing for release without cause.

guipsp 8y ago

Read the article: >Anyone who's been in full-time employment for at least six months is entitled to apply for the unpaid sabbatical, or tjänstledighet, as it's called in Sweden. Employers can only turn the request down if the employee is vital to the business's operations. Also, your new idea can't compete with your existing employer, nor cause them any significant inconvenience.