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We also have a residual, uncapped, % option if the founder ever sells the business. This keeps us aligned with the founders to keep helping them grow the value

We also have a residual, uncapped, % option if the founder ever sells the business. This keeps us aligned with the founders to keep helping them grow the value of the business for the long-term even after the Return Cap is paid back. > I'm not sure how big this market segment could actually get. Keep following along and see :)

mbesto 8y ago
> We also have a residual, uncapped, % option if the founder ever sells the business. What exactly is a "residual stake"? In your spreadsheet this is set as 9.5%...where did that come from? Is this is a stock option, convertible note, or equity position?
- fragsworth 8y ago
  It sounds to me like a critically important part of their model that they don't want you to understand or think about. There's nothing about it on their site from what I saw.
  - tylertringas 8y ago
    The residual stake is a factor of the investment amount, the Valuation Cap (negotiated at time of investment) and the terms of a sale. Note by "stake" we just mean an option to participate in a sale. You can run the business profitably forever without paying us a penny. There is a screencast here going over every term and a spreadsheet anybody can use to run the numbers. Not hiding anything :) https://earnestcapital.com/shared-earnings-agreement-digging-into-the-numbers/ https://earnestcapital.com/shared-earnings-agreement-digging...
    - mbesto 8y ago
      > we just mean an option to participate in a sale By what instrument though? Are you offering a stock option at a strike price? Is it equity at a priced round? Or is a convertible note? Other? You can just say "if you sell we have the option to take a %"...
- tylertringas 8y ago
  It's not set at 9.5%. Not sure where that number is coming from. Check out https://earnestcapital.com/shared-earnings-agreement-digging-into-the-numbers/ https://earnestcapital.com/shared-earnings-agreement-digging...
  - mbesto 8y ago
    Cell B88.
    - tylertringas 8y ago
      That is a tool for calculating the % of a sale that would go to Earnest depending on which year you sell the business in. It is set at year 6 in the default setting for the tool. Earnest's % of a sale goes down as Shared Earnings payments are paid back to us. In the base case setting in that model, the Return Cap is not fully paid back by year 6 so our stake at that point in time is 9.5%. If you change that 6 to year 10 our stake is reduced to 5%. Just to reiterate all of these terms are negotiable at the time of investment too.
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mbesto 8y ago

> We also have a residual, uncapped, % option if the founder ever sells the business. What exactly is a "residual stake"? In your spreadsheet this is set as 9.5%...where did that come from? Is this is a stock option, convertible note, or equity position?

fragsworth 8y ago
It sounds to me like a critically important part of their model that they don't want you to understand or think about. There's nothing about it on their site from what I saw.
- tylertringas 8y ago
  The residual stake is a factor of the investment amount, the Valuation Cap (negotiated at time of investment) and the terms of a sale. Note by "stake" we just mean an option to participate in a sale. You can run the business profitably forever without paying us a penny. There is a screencast here going over every term and a spreadsheet anybody can use to run the numbers. Not hiding anything :) https://earnestcapital.com/shared-earnings-agreement-digging-into-the-numbers/ https://earnestcapital.com/shared-earnings-agreement-digging...
  - mbesto 8y ago
    > we just mean an option to participate in a sale By what instrument though? Are you offering a stock option at a strike price? Is it equity at a priced round? Or is a convertible note? Other? You can just say "if you sell we have the option to take a %"...
tylertringas 8y ago
It's not set at 9.5%. Not sure where that number is coming from. Check out https://earnestcapital.com/shared-earnings-agreement-digging-into-the-numbers/ https://earnestcapital.com/shared-earnings-agreement-digging...
- mbesto 8y ago
  Cell B88.
  - tylertringas 8y ago
    That is a tool for calculating the % of a sale that would go to Earnest depending on which year you sell the business in. It is set at year 6 in the default setting for the tool. Earnest's % of a sale goes down as Shared Earnings payments are paid back to us. In the base case setting in that model, the Return Cap is not fully paid back by year 6 so our stake at that point in time is 9.5%. If you change that 6 to year 10 our stake is reduced to 5%. Just to reiterate all of these terms are negotiable at the time of investment too.

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