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That's fair. I mean, I did link to Jimmy Dore, I know there are some good anti-war progressives out there. (And, despite being a libertarian, I donated $100 to

That's fair. I mean, I did link to Jimmy Dore, I know there are some good anti-war progressives out there. (And, despite being a libertarian, I donated $100 to Tulsi's campaign as soon as she announced.) We might disagree with what "the left" means, which is fine. I use it to apply to "any Democrat or leftist-leaning independent". And it's just that Pelosi is freaking speaker of the house right now. The people and interests that are controlling the Democratic party are pro-war.

AsyncAwait 8y ago
> I mean, I did link to Jimmy Dore Yeah, that's "the left" I would identify with. > We might disagree with what "the left" means, which is fine. I use it to apply to "any Democrat or leftist-leaning independent". That unfortunately hasn't been true for a long time. The Clinton "Third Way" doctrine basically means "we're centre right economically, don't hate gays and support abortion rights". That is why these kinds of democrats play identity politics so hard, (while smearing minority candidates, ironically enough). In the UK, the policy that closely represents the Democratic Party establishment is actually represented by a party called the Conservative Party, that should tell you something. > being a libertarian I am glad to hear that. While I probably massively disagree with you when it comes to social spending, I 100% agree however with libertarians on their anti-war stance as well as far as personal liberty goes in a large number of areas. > And it's just that Pelosi is freaking speaker of the house right now. The people and interests that are controlling the Democratic party are pro-war. I know, trust me as someone on the left, it's incredibly frustrating to be "represented" by such leadership.