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At some point in my country for some state fundings the only way to apply was via a windows app. The company I worked at the time, bought a pc just to apply. Su

At some point in my country for some state fundings the only way to apply was via a windows app. The company I worked at the time, bought a pc just to apply. Sure they would have loved a crappy electron app instead. Electron is not a problem is a symptom. People/companies want to write apps that run everywhere and that is actually a great thing. The problem is OS people not having their own little w3c to fix the problem. Its starting to look pretty clear that sooner or latter all native apps will be coded in html css and some programing language (js or not) for the sake of being easy to port, so please OS people, get us a better solution than electron.

AnIdiotOnTheNet 8y ago
Java runs everywhere and is at least an order of magnitude more efficient than Electron. If it was really about WORE then these developers would be using Java, a language and runtime actually designed for applications instead of being shoehorned into that role.
- slantyyz 8y ago
  >> Java runs everywhere and is at least an order of magnitude more efficient than Electron. I don't think people are choosing Electron for efficiency. They're choosing it for getting results sooner. Electron lets you pump out a reasonably nice looking cross-platform app that does what it's supposed to do, using a lot of your existing code, in a short period of time. That convenience to developers can easily outweigh the trade-offs related to Electron's many flaws, especially when time and resources are very limited.
  - AnIdiotOnTheNet 8y ago
    Except, you know, for the users who's time and resources are the ones being wasted. But who cares about them, right?
- neurotrace 8y ago
  Building GUIs in Java is a massive pain in the butt. Building GUIs with HTML and CSS is a breeze. That's a major difference.
  - AnIdiotOnTheNet 8y ago
    Only if you've never built a GUI in anything other than a web stack (which is about the most awful environment for GUI I've ever had to deal with). Java GUIs can be done with WYSIWYG designers FFS.
    - neurotrace 8y ago
      I started out making GUIs in Java. It was definitely harder to make reasonable, good looking, UIs in it than it is in a web stack. There are WYSIWYGs for the web too. Doesn't mean they're good to use. I guess it all comes down to opinion. Clearly the Java model of GUIs maps better to your mind and the web model of GUIs maps better to mine.

AnIdiotOnTheNet 8y ago

Java runs everywhere and is at least an order of magnitude more efficient than Electron. If it was really about WORE then these developers would be using Java, a language and runtime actually designed for applications instead of being shoehorned into that role.

slantyyz 8y ago
>> Java runs everywhere and is at least an order of magnitude more efficient than Electron. I don't think people are choosing Electron for efficiency. They're choosing it for getting results sooner. Electron lets you pump out a reasonably nice looking cross-platform app that does what it's supposed to do, using a lot of your existing code, in a short period of time. That convenience to developers can easily outweigh the trade-offs related to Electron's many flaws, especially when time and resources are very limited.
- AnIdiotOnTheNet 8y ago
  Except, you know, for the users who's time and resources are the ones being wasted. But who cares about them, right?
neurotrace 8y ago
Building GUIs in Java is a massive pain in the butt. Building GUIs with HTML and CSS is a breeze. That's a major difference.
- AnIdiotOnTheNet 8y ago
  Only if you've never built a GUI in anything other than a web stack (which is about the most awful environment for GUI I've ever had to deal with). Java GUIs can be done with WYSIWYG designers FFS.
  - neurotrace 8y ago
    I started out making GUIs in Java. It was definitely harder to make reasonable, good looking, UIs in it than it is in a web stack. There are WYSIWYGs for the web too. Doesn't mean they're good to use. I guess it all comes down to opinion. Clearly the Java model of GUIs maps better to your mind and the web model of GUIs maps better to mine.