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Anecdata: Given the number of left/liberal people I've seen on my timeline/lists suspended for innocuous replies to harassment, the number of posts about Twitte

Anecdata: Given the number of left/liberal people I've seen on my timeline/lists suspended for innocuous replies to harassment, the number of posts about Twitter support not suspending conservative harassers (POTUS being a prime example!), and the fairly strong conservative bias of Quillette, I'll be needing a bag of salt and a lot more proof than this article provides.

shard972 8y ago
> Twitter support not suspending conservative harassers (POTUS being a prime example!), Thats a pretty poor example. The simple reality is that @potus won't be banned as it will immediately sow the seeds of twitters own destruction. If you think twitter is bigger than the president of the USA, then im not sure what else to say. If you want to point to examples as evidence, then what about Kathy Griffith? She can post herself holding a decapitated head of the president and sick mobs on school children because they smirked wearing a maga hat and yet shes not banned.
- zimpenfish 8y ago
  > If you think twitter is bigger than the president of the USA Why would it not be? It's a worldwide thing, not just for some provincial colony. > She can post herself holding a decapitated head of the president Which was clearly a joke. > and sick mobs on school children Yep, I'd agree she should be suspended for that.
ethagknight 8y ago
It would be more helpful to provide substance to this claim rather than tossing a smoke grenade on the matter? Who are the left leaning people you’ve seen suspended?
- zimpenfish 8y ago
  Here's a few to get you started. https://twitter.com/zozie_kicks/status/1078008088978956289 https://twitter.com/zozie_kicks/status/1078008088978956289 https://www.wired.co.uk/article/twitter-political-account-ban-us-mid-term-elections https://www.wired.co.uk/article/twitter-political-account-ba... https://www.dailydot.com/unclick/twitter-suspends-krang-t-nelson/ https://www.dailydot.com/unclick/twitter-suspends-krang-t-ne...
  - vinniejames 8y ago
    Intentionally getting banned by doing something publicly known to be bannable doesn't really apply here httpswitter.com/zozie_kicks/status/1078008088978956289
    - zimpenfish 8y ago
      Well, it was a test to see if it was the word 'goy' that was the trigger - previous suspensions had already happened. But fair point, it's not a great example.
  - repolfx 8y ago
    The first is about testing for banned words deliberately. The second link appears to be about anti-spam suspensions related to people who controlled many different Twitter accounts simultaneously using bots, not content related enforcement. The third link is about the following tweet: "Can’t wait for November 4th when millions of antifa supersoldiers will behead all white parents and small business owners in the town square" That isn't an "innocuous reply to harrassment" as you implied in your first comment. So far I don't think you've demonstrated the point you were trying to make. None of the examples of these suspensions were replies to harassment.
    - zimpenfish 8y ago
      > The first is about testing for banned words deliberately. After being banned for using those words inocuously. > That isn't an "innocuous reply to harrassment" as you implied in your first comment. No, that wasn't one of those. It was clearly a joke, however. > None of the examples of these suspensions were replies to harassment A fair point. Next time I log into Twitter, I'll make a collection and come back with those, ok? I just didn't happen to have one ready for this discussion at current time.
afiori 8y ago
Kathy Griffin literally called for her followers to dox the MAGA kids. When asked about this on Joe Rogan podcast twitter CEO just changed the topic. Journalist are the lifeline of twitter, so they will always be on the side of the mainstream media. If you are leftist/liberal but out of the media bubble (like some trans-esclusionary radical femminists) then you are worse off than conservatives,
- zimpenfish 8y ago
  > Kathy Griffin literally called for her followers to dox the MAGA kids. Well, she asked for names, not a full dox, but I would agree that she should have been temporarily suspended for that, yep. > like some trans-esclusionary radical femminists They tend not to be leftist/liberal in my experience.
  - afiori 8y ago
    "liberal" is a confusing word; for a few centuries leftist/liberal meant very similar things in the west. Today we have strong movements of illiberal/authoritarian on the left while the right (in the US) has strong libertarian movements. Consider the famous example of the baker and the homosexual wedding. Without judging the standard leftist position is significantly less libertarian than the usual position on the right.
- MrMember 8y ago
  Anecdotes and all that, but the past month has been crazy. Call for doxxing of high school kids, to open fire on them if you see them, or to lock them in the school and burn it down, and nothing happens. Tweet "learn to code" at a journalist and your account gets suspended.

shard972 8y ago

> Twitter support not suspending conservative harassers (POTUS being a prime example!), Thats a pretty poor example. The simple reality is that @potus won't be banned as it will immediately sow the seeds of twitters own destruction. If you think twitter is bigger than the president of the USA, then im not sure what else to say. If you want to point to examples as evidence, then what about Kathy Griffith? She can post herself holding a decapitated head of the president and sick mobs on school children because they smirked wearing a maga hat and yet shes not banned.

zimpenfish 8y ago
> If you think twitter is bigger than the president of the USA Why would it not be? It's a worldwide thing, not just for some provincial colony. > She can post herself holding a decapitated head of the president Which was clearly a joke. > and sick mobs on school children Yep, I'd agree she should be suspended for that.

ethagknight 8y ago

It would be more helpful to provide substance to this claim rather than tossing a smoke grenade on the matter? Who are the left leaning people you’ve seen suspended?

zimpenfish 8y ago
Here's a few to get you started. https://twitter.com/zozie_kicks/status/1078008088978956289 https://twitter.com/zozie_kicks/status/1078008088978956289 https://www.wired.co.uk/article/twitter-political-account-ban-us-mid-term-elections https://www.wired.co.uk/article/twitter-political-account-ba... https://www.dailydot.com/unclick/twitter-suspends-krang-t-nelson/ https://www.dailydot.com/unclick/twitter-suspends-krang-t-ne...
- vinniejames 8y ago
  Intentionally getting banned by doing something publicly known to be bannable doesn't really apply here httpswitter.com/zozie_kicks/status/1078008088978956289
  - zimpenfish 8y ago
    Well, it was a test to see if it was the word 'goy' that was the trigger - previous suspensions had already happened. But fair point, it's not a great example.
- repolfx 8y ago
  The first is about testing for banned words deliberately. The second link appears to be about anti-spam suspensions related to people who controlled many different Twitter accounts simultaneously using bots, not content related enforcement. The third link is about the following tweet: "Can’t wait for November 4th when millions of antifa supersoldiers will behead all white parents and small business owners in the town square" That isn't an "innocuous reply to harrassment" as you implied in your first comment. So far I don't think you've demonstrated the point you were trying to make. None of the examples of these suspensions were replies to harassment.
  - zimpenfish 8y ago
    > The first is about testing for banned words deliberately. After being banned for using those words inocuously. > That isn't an "innocuous reply to harrassment" as you implied in your first comment. No, that wasn't one of those. It was clearly a joke, however. > None of the examples of these suspensions were replies to harassment A fair point. Next time I log into Twitter, I'll make a collection and come back with those, ok? I just didn't happen to have one ready for this discussion at current time.

afiori 8y ago

Kathy Griffin literally called for her followers to dox the MAGA kids. When asked about this on Joe Rogan podcast twitter CEO just changed the topic. Journalist are the lifeline of twitter, so they will always be on the side of the mainstream media. If you are leftist/liberal but out of the media bubble (like some trans-esclusionary radical femminists) then you are worse off than conservatives,

zimpenfish 8y ago
> Kathy Griffin literally called for her followers to dox the MAGA kids. Well, she asked for names, not a full dox, but I would agree that she should have been temporarily suspended for that, yep. > like some trans-esclusionary radical femminists They tend not to be leftist/liberal in my experience.
- afiori 8y ago
  "liberal" is a confusing word; for a few centuries leftist/liberal meant very similar things in the west. Today we have strong movements of illiberal/authoritarian on the left while the right (in the US) has strong libertarian movements. Consider the famous example of the baker and the homosexual wedding. Without judging the standard leftist position is significantly less libertarian than the usual position on the right.
MrMember 8y ago
Anecdotes and all that, but the past month has been crazy. Call for doxxing of high school kids, to open fire on them if you see them, or to lock them in the school and burn it down, and nothing happens. Tweet "learn to code" at a journalist and your account gets suspended.