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ELI5 please. why should I care about this.

j_4 8y ago
This is about serious business security wargaming.
O_H_E 8y ago
TLDR: highly sophisticated tools for cyber security analysts. Yeah had the same reaction. It takes some background to get what they are taking about. Red Team: A team that try to exploit an organisation to find weakness before black hackers find them. [1] Blue Team: A team that tries to protect the org from the red team and fix the exploits. [2] SIEM: Security Information and Event Management. Usually used by Blue teams. [3] [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_team https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_team [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_team_(computer_security) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_team_(computer_security) [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Security_information_and_event_management https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Security_information_and_event... PS: search skills are really important these days.
- oblio 8y ago
  I did the searching you mention, and I found the info you mention. But the link sucks on its own, for it to the #1 on HN, in my opinion. The page is written with the philosophy: if you don't know what all these terms are, you don't belong here. Which is fine for a random Github repo. I'd be curious to know about HN's sorting algorithms, this topic seems such a niche thing that I'm amazed this page reached #1...
  - atemerev 8y ago
    People like to play cool. Everybody here is a wannabe top hacker, or wannabe unicorn startup founder, or a wannabe James Bond. Nothing is inherently wrong or unusual with that.
    - rsanheim 8y ago
      I was legitimately asking why i should care about this piece of software, or why I would consider in my day to day to life at work or play. Nothing wrong with that.
  - coldtea 8y ago
    >The page is written with the philosophy: if you don't know what all these terms are, you don't belong here. Which is fine for a random Github repo. It's also fine for a page meant for a specific audience. It's not like they want to attract random developers working outside security. Whenever someone says something akin to "Hey that project's page didn't explain/market their offering well enough for me!", an obvious counter question is "and who said their intention was to promote it to you?". Sometimes the complain is legitimate (e.g. a programming language or project that wants wide adoption should explain what it is clearly and attractively in its webpage). Other times it's just that not everybody is the intended audience, and they explain what they do well already if you're the intended audience (in which case you know the terms the use, etc). >I'd be curious to know about HN's sorting algorithms, this topic seems such a niche thing that I'm amazed this page reached #1... Perhaps enough people know about this stuff already and voted it as soon as they saw it? I didn't know what Red/Blue teams are, but there are several security people here that do.
    - rsanheim 8y ago
      I actually assumed it was from the GitHub blog from the front page link, so assumed it was from former colleagues / friends (I worked at GH, and know many of the fine people there). Then I realized it was just a random GH repo and some sort of security tools software. And even then, was full of its own jargon -- blue team / red team / white team. So I could only ask wtf is this even doing here. Like how does this particular security software impact my life as a generalist software developer, or even if I was just some random technologist person.
      - pault 8y ago
        There are a lot of security experts on HN and I personally find it an interesting topic even though I have very little knowledge of that industry. Since the guidelines are "anything that could be of interest to hackers" and security research consists of creative use of low level software and hardware, I don't see how it's a strange topic for HN at all. I'm sure there are many other articles here that don't intersect with a generalist software developer's area of expertise.
      - 8y ago
  - O_H_E 8y ago
    > I'd be curious to know about HN's sorting algorithms From HN FAQ: The basic algorithm divides points by a power of the time since a story was submitted.
  - Kiro 8y ago
    I personally believe it's natural to know what these things are when you're browsing a site called "Hacker News".
    - oblio 8y ago
      Yes, of course, because our brain capacities are infinite, as is our time :) On top of that "hacker" doesn't come from the popular term, it comes from: http://catb.org/jargon/html/introduction.html http://catb.org/jargon/html/introduction.html
uasm 8y ago
> "ELI5 please. why should I care about this." Sounds like exactly the tool for your kind! ;)

j_4 8y ago

This is about serious business security wargaming.

TLDR: highly sophisticated tools for cyber security analysts. Yeah had the same reaction. It takes some background to get what they are taking about. Red Team: A team that try to exploit an organisation to find weakness before black hackers find them. [1] Blue Team: A team that tries to protect the org from the red team and fix the exploits. [2] SIEM: Security Information and Event Management. Usually used by Blue teams. [3] [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_team https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_team [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_team_(computer_security) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_team_(computer_security) [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Security_information_and_event_management https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Security_information_and_event... PS: search skills are really important these days.

oblio 8y ago
I did the searching you mention, and I found the info you mention. But the link sucks on its own, for it to the #1 on HN, in my opinion. The page is written with the philosophy: if you don't know what all these terms are, you don't belong here. Which is fine for a random Github repo. I'd be curious to know about HN's sorting algorithms, this topic seems such a niche thing that I'm amazed this page reached #1...
- atemerev 8y ago
  People like to play cool. Everybody here is a wannabe top hacker, or wannabe unicorn startup founder, or a wannabe James Bond. Nothing is inherently wrong or unusual with that.
  - rsanheim 8y ago
    I was legitimately asking why i should care about this piece of software, or why I would consider in my day to day to life at work or play. Nothing wrong with that.
- coldtea 8y ago
  >The page is written with the philosophy: if you don't know what all these terms are, you don't belong here. Which is fine for a random Github repo. It's also fine for a page meant for a specific audience. It's not like they want to attract random developers working outside security. Whenever someone says something akin to "Hey that project's page didn't explain/market their offering well enough for me!", an obvious counter question is "and who said their intention was to promote it to you?". Sometimes the complain is legitimate (e.g. a programming language or project that wants wide adoption should explain what it is clearly and attractively in its webpage). Other times it's just that not everybody is the intended audience, and they explain what they do well already if you're the intended audience (in which case you know the terms the use, etc). >I'd be curious to know about HN's sorting algorithms, this topic seems such a niche thing that I'm amazed this page reached #1... Perhaps enough people know about this stuff already and voted it as soon as they saw it? I didn't know what Red/Blue teams are, but there are several security people here that do.
  - rsanheim 8y ago
    I actually assumed it was from the GitHub blog from the front page link, so assumed it was from former colleagues / friends (I worked at GH, and know many of the fine people there). Then I realized it was just a random GH repo and some sort of security tools software. And even then, was full of its own jargon -- blue team / red team / white team. So I could only ask wtf is this even doing here. Like how does this particular security software impact my life as a generalist software developer, or even if I was just some random technologist person.
    - pault 8y ago
      There are a lot of security experts on HN and I personally find it an interesting topic even though I have very little knowledge of that industry. Since the guidelines are "anything that could be of interest to hackers" and security research consists of creative use of low level software and hardware, I don't see how it's a strange topic for HN at all. I'm sure there are many other articles here that don't intersect with a generalist software developer's area of expertise.
    - 8y ago
- O_H_E 8y ago
  > I'd be curious to know about HN's sorting algorithms From HN FAQ: The basic algorithm divides points by a power of the time since a story was submitted.
- Kiro 8y ago
  I personally believe it's natural to know what these things are when you're browsing a site called "Hacker News".
  - oblio 8y ago
    Yes, of course, because our brain capacities are infinite, as is our time :) On top of that "hacker" doesn't come from the popular term, it comes from: http://catb.org/jargon/html/introduction.html http://catb.org/jargon/html/introduction.html

uasm 8y ago

> "ELI5 please. why should I care about this." Sounds like exactly the tool for your kind! ;)