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Nobody's calling for violence in those places. Don't what-about this.

chrisco255 8y ago
I guess you've never been on Twitter? https://coed.com/2019/01/22/snl-writer-sarah-beattie-blowjob-maga-student-twitter/ https://coed.com/2019/01/22/snl-writer-sarah-beattie-blowjob... Or...how many times has Trump and his supporters been referred to as Nazis... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79TRDRPGx34 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79TRDRPGx34 Like that time Samantha Bee called a stage 4 brain cancer Trump supporter out for sporting a "Nazi haircut" after chemo: http://outsetnetwork.com/2017/03/09/samantha-bee-mocks-contributor-with-cancer-for-nazi-hair/ http://outsetnetwork.com/2017/03/09/samantha-bee-mocks-contr... Followed by endless calls to punch Nazis. This is just three lazy examples. There's hundreds of examples like this in pop media.
- pjc50 8y ago
  So, there's kind of a point here; it's nonsensical to say that the call to "punch Nazis" isn't a call to violence. But this is why I put "from a position of power" in my original statement. The President declaring someone an enemy is very different from some randos on Twitter declaring someone an enemy. It's rather like the Chinese Army declaring Tianmen Square Man to be "confrontational" by standing in front of the tank. (Anybody going to make the free speech defence for those people you cited?) I'm not really expecting anyone on the right to realise that if they want to call for civility they need to police their side, starting from the top; but that's the best way to stop this escalating.
  - chrisco255 8y ago
    You think academia, the tech industry and mainstream media have no power? They have manipulated narratives to the point that people have supported unjust wars and unnecessary riots. Saying "fake news is the enemy of the people" is not controversial. It's quite true. No calling out a Washington-area circle jerk that perpetuates false B.S. is not the same as Tianeman Square. It's criticism. The President has every right to criticize his critics as his critics do him. Freedom of speech works both ways.
ajvs 8y ago
That's not what the parent comment said. > point a finger at people and declare them the enemy often enough, from a position of power, and someone will attack them. The point is that there is no explicit£ call for violence, yet just the same it breeds hatred that inevitably results* in violence.
legostormtroopr 8y ago
At an anti-Trump rally Madonna said she "thought an awful lot about blowing up the White House". https://edition.cnn.com/2017/01/23/entertainment/madonna-white-house/index.html https://edition.cnn.com/2017/01/23/entertainment/madonna-whi...
- ttul 8y ago
  Then she would become the “materiel girl”.
samatman 8y ago
Hmm, perhaps you missed this? https://youtu.be/07-VvcsrUIE https://youtu.be/07-VvcsrUIE I don’t know what to do about the escalation of rhetoric and action in this country. But let’s not pretend it’s one-sided.
- Cenk 8y ago
  You can’t seriously be equating the two
  - eggy 8y ago
    I don't, but in all fairness I did watch the clip cited above, and at the end there was a "and we will punch people in the face" comment to which the crowd raised an already frenzied jeer to an even higher level. I am sorry, but I reject a call to violence on both ends, and I don't see the above comment as only figurative, since there has been punching on both sides of the political fence.

I guess you've never been on Twitter? https://coed.com/2019/01/22/snl-writer-sarah-beattie-blowjob-maga-student-twitter/ https://coed.com/2019/01/22/snl-writer-sarah-beattie-blowjob... Or...how many times has Trump and his supporters been referred to as Nazis... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79TRDRPGx34 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79TRDRPGx34 Like that time Samantha Bee called a stage 4 brain cancer Trump supporter out for sporting a "Nazi haircut" after chemo: http://outsetnetwork.com/2017/03/09/samantha-bee-mocks-contributor-with-cancer-for-nazi-hair/ http://outsetnetwork.com/2017/03/09/samantha-bee-mocks-contr... Followed by endless calls to punch Nazis. This is just three lazy examples. There's hundreds of examples like this in pop media.

pjc50 8y ago
So, there's kind of a point here; it's nonsensical to say that the call to "punch Nazis" isn't a call to violence. But this is why I put "from a position of power" in my original statement. The President declaring someone an enemy is very different from some randos on Twitter declaring someone an enemy. It's rather like the Chinese Army declaring Tianmen Square Man to be "confrontational" by standing in front of the tank. (Anybody going to make the free speech defence for those people you cited?) I'm not really expecting anyone on the right to realise that if they want to call for civility they need to police their side, starting from the top; but that's the best way to stop this escalating.
- chrisco255 8y ago
  You think academia, the tech industry and mainstream media have no power? They have manipulated narratives to the point that people have supported unjust wars and unnecessary riots. Saying "fake news is the enemy of the people" is not controversial. It's quite true. No calling out a Washington-area circle jerk that perpetuates false B.S. is not the same as Tianeman Square. It's criticism. The President has every right to criticize his critics as his critics do him. Freedom of speech works both ways.

ajvs 8y ago

That's not what the parent comment said. > point a finger at people and declare them the enemy often enough, from a position of power, and someone will attack them. The point is that there is no explicit£ call for violence, yet just the same it breeds hatred that inevitably results* in violence.

legostormtroopr 8y ago

At an anti-Trump rally Madonna said she "thought an awful lot about blowing up the White House". https://edition.cnn.com/2017/01/23/entertainment/madonna-white-house/index.html https://edition.cnn.com/2017/01/23/entertainment/madonna-whi...

ttul 8y ago
Then she would become the “materiel girl”.

samatman 8y ago

Hmm, perhaps you missed this? https://youtu.be/07-VvcsrUIE https://youtu.be/07-VvcsrUIE I don’t know what to do about the escalation of rhetoric and action in this country. But let’s not pretend it’s one-sided.

Cenk 8y ago
You can’t seriously be equating the two
- eggy 8y ago
  I don't, but in all fairness I did watch the clip cited above, and at the end there was a "and we will punch people in the face" comment to which the crowd raised an already frenzied jeer to an even higher level. I am sorry, but I reject a call to violence on both ends, and I don't see the above comment as only figurative, since there has been punching on both sides of the political fence.