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I see this a lot — the jump straight to ”communism”, and it’s tiresome. I believe in this day and age we know a lot of things we didnt’t at the start of indust

I see this a lot — the jump straight to ”communism”, and it’s tiresome. I believe in this day and age we know a lot of things we didnt’t at the start of industrialization. As soon as someone starts talking about keeping mindful about consumption they somehow end up being supportive of full blown communism. Looking at the state of our earth you could easily say that capitalism doesn’t work, at all. It’s more nuanced than that though.

Pristina 8y ago
> capitalism doesn’t work, at all. i look at north korea then i look at south korea. if capitalism doesn't work, at all, then communism must negatively work.
- jordanbeiber 8y ago
  Questioning the end result of capitalism is obviously touchy for many... My comment was simply that you can question the state of capitalism in the world today without suggesting that communism should take it’s place. P.s Also, have a talk to the insects, polar bears, cheetahs (only 7000 of them beauties left), etc. Out of whack and out of balance.
  - mc32 8y ago
    I would agree that communism is better at regulating population than other forms of government. And since population pressure is the main driver behind incursion into wildernesses, I’d agree communism would handle over pop more “efficiently” but not morally better. On the other hand communism typically suffered from stunted innovation, outside of targeted areas, so they probably would be worse off, if they didn’t import tech from non communist states.
    - jordanbeiber 8y ago
      I kind of agree with what you’re saying, but it still lacks a lot of nuance. Most good stuff arises from public funded research imo. How and why? Because it’s down to individuals that are allowed to do their thing. This gets stiffled in a short term, for profit organization. What we’re left with is often conservatism. Too many big orgs with big money simply want to keep things as they are, and it’s clear (or should be to everyone) that this is not wanted or sustainable. Regarding man earth balance it’s currently down to over consumtion by us in the west. As your average Swede I consume approximately 4 earths worth of resources. We either changes this behaviour volontarily or bad things will happen eventually. There’s a lot of power in those piles of cash though so anyone that want’s to change anything is in for a tough fight. Also, morality... you probably consume stuff originating from sweat shops and child labour. We’ll it’s not our children! Lot of high horses in the ”west” unfortunateley.
macspoofing 8y ago
If we had to start it all over again, we'd still do a market-based economy with a social safety net, democracy and reasonable regulation and taxation. No sane person should ever want to have anything to do with Marx. Agreed?
- jordanbeiber 8y ago
  Totally. A critical comment regarding the state we’re in does not make me wish for a full blown totalitarian regime. Marx was a philospher and writer with some points however, and I doubt he personally would appreciate what went down with Lenin & co. It’s all about balance, and right now the balance is off by quite a bit. The problem is that capitalism has turned in to ”consumerism”. Not sure how to crack it, but in a way it’s a bit like a new enlightenment phase needs to take place.

Pristina 8y ago

> capitalism doesn’t work, at all. i look at north korea then i look at south korea. if capitalism doesn't work, at all, then communism must negatively work.

jordanbeiber 8y ago
Questioning the end result of capitalism is obviously touchy for many... My comment was simply that you can question the state of capitalism in the world today without suggesting that communism should take it’s place. P.s Also, have a talk to the insects, polar bears, cheetahs (only 7000 of them beauties left), etc. Out of whack and out of balance.
- mc32 8y ago
  I would agree that communism is better at regulating population than other forms of government. And since population pressure is the main driver behind incursion into wildernesses, I’d agree communism would handle over pop more “efficiently” but not morally better. On the other hand communism typically suffered from stunted innovation, outside of targeted areas, so they probably would be worse off, if they didn’t import tech from non communist states.
  - jordanbeiber 8y ago
    I kind of agree with what you’re saying, but it still lacks a lot of nuance. Most good stuff arises from public funded research imo. How and why? Because it’s down to individuals that are allowed to do their thing. This gets stiffled in a short term, for profit organization. What we’re left with is often conservatism. Too many big orgs with big money simply want to keep things as they are, and it’s clear (or should be to everyone) that this is not wanted or sustainable. Regarding man earth balance it’s currently down to over consumtion by us in the west. As your average Swede I consume approximately 4 earths worth of resources. We either changes this behaviour volontarily or bad things will happen eventually. There’s a lot of power in those piles of cash though so anyone that want’s to change anything is in for a tough fight. Also, morality... you probably consume stuff originating from sweat shops and child labour. We’ll it’s not our children! Lot of high horses in the ”west” unfortunateley.

macspoofing 8y ago

If we had to start it all over again, we'd still do a market-based economy with a social safety net, democracy and reasonable regulation and taxation. No sane person should ever want to have anything to do with Marx. Agreed?

jordanbeiber 8y ago
Totally. A critical comment regarding the state we’re in does not make me wish for a full blown totalitarian regime. Marx was a philospher and writer with some points however, and I doubt he personally would appreciate what went down with Lenin & co. It’s all about balance, and right now the balance is off by quite a bit. The problem is that capitalism has turned in to ”consumerism”. Not sure how to crack it, but in a way it’s a bit like a new enlightenment phase needs to take place.