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IE itself is being "dropped" as well, so long term support commitment for new products does not make sense.

Someone1234 8y ago
You seem to be misinformed. IE11 hasn't been dropped, is supported, and is still the only browser shipping with some versions of Windows as of right now. Older versions of IE have been dropped. And Edge is still their recommending browsing experience and the only one likely to receive enhancements (both will continue to receive security fixes). Key Dates: - Internet Explorer 9: EOL January 12, 2016 - Internet Explorer 10: EOL January 31, 2020 - Internet Explorer 11: EOL Unknown/Unannounced IE11's EOL date is currently unknown. It would be at minimum 2025 based on Windows 10's current extended support date (but each Windows 10 feature release with IE11 pushes that date back).
- tcd 8y ago
  IE will go EOL for the majority of users well before 2025, simply because they're not adding features and the web _will_ break (and is already breaking) as a result. Imagine TLS 1.4, or some other change that will occur that will completely break IE11. Instead, Microsoft will ship Edge with Chromium (even on Windows 7) and say "use that instead" and will eventually remove IE altogether.
  - therealx 8y ago
    Minor nitpick but TLS support is separate from IE and is handled by the OS.
  - ronsor 8y ago
    Windows 7 will be unsupported next year.
    - tcd 8y ago
      Yes. MS still intends to ship their new browser on Windows 7 since it'll be like any other browser you can install...
  - baroffoos 8y ago
    And enterprise users will block the update and continue demanding that all of their vendors support IE11 and I will continue smashing my head on the desk finding 10 year old bugs.
    - redler 8y ago
      Worse still: they’ll force your site into the bizarro world of ersatz IE9 or even IE8 “compatibility” through the auspices of “enterprise mode”. There’s nothing like the unique experience of trying to resolve a problem in your modern app, reported by a user who thinks they’re running IE11, but is actually running a never-was IE8 — because the last known developer of some indecipherable ActiveX-festooned internal budgeting app passed away 12 years ago.
- Wowfunhappy 8y ago
  I'm not sure security patches to ensure a program is not dangerous to use is quite the same thing as "supported". I mean, yes, it technically is in a sense of the word, but it's not meaningful. Microsoft is telling everyone to not use IE11. They are not adding features to IE11, or fixing (non-security) bugs. While it is the only browser shipped with LTSB, Microsoft's position is that no one should be using LTSB on general-purpose machines anyway. (Mind you, LTSB works and is wonderful, but Microsoft would prefer you don't know that.)
- mythz 8y ago
  > You seem to be misinformed. The PR specifically says "* Remove IE (but not Edge)" and to update docs containing IE references.
  - Someone1234 8y ago
    You misread the post I was responding to. They remarked that because IE itself was "dropped" that new products, including Bootstrap 5 need not support it. > IE itself is being "dropped" as well, so long term support commitment for new products does not make sense.
    - franciscop 8y ago
      I did read that as "Support for IE is being dropped from Bootstrap", not the way you interpreted it.
      - skinnymuch 8y ago
        The OP was def saying IE itself is being dropped. Unless we are talking about a different comment.
- dstroot 8y ago
  IE 11 is not a browser. It is a compatibility solution.
  - dwd 8y ago
    Which makes jQuery a compatibility solution for a compatibility solution. Also if you need to support IE you're probably not in the position of converting your application to BootStrap v5.
- TylerH 8y ago
  Well, IE has not been receiving feature updates for over a year. It only receives security patches, and these days only critical ones. It is a dead browser; do not use it unless your job forces you to.

You seem to be misinformed. IE11 hasn't been dropped, is supported, and is still the only browser shipping with some versions of Windows as of right now. Older versions of IE have been dropped. And Edge is still their recommending browsing experience and the only one likely to receive enhancements (both will continue to receive security fixes). Key Dates: - Internet Explorer 9: EOL January 12, 2016 - Internet Explorer 10: EOL January 31, 2020 - Internet Explorer 11: EOL Unknown/Unannounced IE11's EOL date is currently unknown. It would be at minimum 2025 based on Windows 10's current extended support date (but each Windows 10 feature release with IE11 pushes that date back).

tcd 8y ago
IE will go EOL for the majority of users well before 2025, simply because they're not adding features and the web _will_ break (and is already breaking) as a result. Imagine TLS 1.4, or some other change that will occur that will completely break IE11. Instead, Microsoft will ship Edge with Chromium (even on Windows 7) and say "use that instead" and will eventually remove IE altogether.
- therealx 8y ago
  Minor nitpick but TLS support is separate from IE and is handled by the OS.
- ronsor 8y ago
  Windows 7 will be unsupported next year.
  - tcd 8y ago
    Yes. MS still intends to ship their new browser on Windows 7 since it'll be like any other browser you can install...
- baroffoos 8y ago
  And enterprise users will block the update and continue demanding that all of their vendors support IE11 and I will continue smashing my head on the desk finding 10 year old bugs.
  - redler 8y ago
    Worse still: they’ll force your site into the bizarro world of ersatz IE9 or even IE8 “compatibility” through the auspices of “enterprise mode”. There’s nothing like the unique experience of trying to resolve a problem in your modern app, reported by a user who thinks they’re running IE11, but is actually running a never-was IE8 — because the last known developer of some indecipherable ActiveX-festooned internal budgeting app passed away 12 years ago.
Wowfunhappy 8y ago
I'm not sure security patches to ensure a program is not dangerous to use is quite the same thing as "supported". I mean, yes, it technically is in a sense of the word, but it's not meaningful. Microsoft is telling everyone to not use IE11. They are not adding features to IE11, or fixing (non-security) bugs. While it is the only browser shipped with LTSB, Microsoft's position is that no one should be using LTSB on general-purpose machines anyway. (Mind you, LTSB works and is wonderful, but Microsoft would prefer you don't know that.)
mythz 8y ago
> You seem to be misinformed. The PR specifically says "* Remove IE (but not Edge)" and to update docs containing IE references.
- Someone1234 8y ago
  You misread the post I was responding to. They remarked that because IE itself was "dropped" that new products, including Bootstrap 5 need not support it. > IE itself is being "dropped" as well, so long term support commitment for new products does not make sense.
  - franciscop 8y ago
    I did read that as "Support for IE is being dropped from Bootstrap", not the way you interpreted it.
    - skinnymuch 8y ago
      The OP was def saying IE itself is being dropped. Unless we are talking about a different comment.
dstroot 8y ago
IE 11 is not a browser. It is a compatibility solution.
- dwd 8y ago
  Which makes jQuery a compatibility solution for a compatibility solution. Also if you need to support IE you're probably not in the position of converting your application to BootStrap v5.
TylerH 8y ago
Well, IE has not been receiving feature updates for over a year. It only receives security patches, and these days only critical ones. It is a dead browser; do not use it unless your job forces you to.