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Whoosh! Bootstrap is going the way of table layouts. Table layouts were great too but times change. Right now we have CSS Grid and it works in all browsers. I

Whoosh! Bootstrap is going the way of table layouts. Table layouts were great too but times change. Right now we have CSS Grid and it works in all browsers. I am sure they will bring this goodness to Bootstrap 5 but there is no need for the new layout engine that works great in all useful browsers to have a framework wrapper. Similarly with the jQuery, it was once useful in a table layout kind of way but nowadays you might as well just write ES6 javascript rather than learn how to do things the special jQuery way. Frameworks are dead in a similar way to how the internal combustion engine is. Using the intrinsic properties of the browser is where it is at in the same way that electric is where it is at in the automotive world. The fact that everyone is stuck with their excuses for frameworks (and ICE engines) does not change matters. Hence I read this news with all the enthusiasm of a Tesla owner reading about Peugeot developing a more efficient diesel engine.

coldtea 8y ago
>Bootstrap is going the way of table layouts. Table layouts were great too but times change. Right now we have CSS Grid and it works in all browsers. Which is irrelevant, as Bootstrap is much more than a grid system. Not to mention it's not meant for the types to mess with their own custom grid layout anyway.
- hugi 8y ago
  As a web programmer, I tend to agree with this. While I'm at it, I'd also like to extend a polite "fuck you" to the web industry. It's a horrible place. I like bootstrap and I'm going to use it so fuck. you.
- Theodores 8y ago
  Well I just checked to see if I missed anything with it and I didn't. The utilities and components are the same as I remember them being. I was the biggest fan of Bootstrap ever about five or more years ago, a total evangelist. But it seems to be just another flavour of div soup really. I have moved on. Even things like cool scrollspy things aren't worth the bloat or the learning requirement. I also prefer to learn real things rather than fake framework things. Now the tools are needed in modern browsers you might as well do it properly and learn something useful rather than follow some convenient hacks. It is quicker.
woah 8y ago
Too bad html without styling still looks terrible and differently terrible in every browser. My company uses bootstrap heavily and we’ve never used the grid. Bootstrap gives you a great basis on which to build an interface that has all the little details taken care of, and it’s very easy to skin. I’ve worked on projects where people made their own ui component kits to be cool, and they ended up having a lot of holes and incomplete parts. So much work could have been saved by skinning bootstrap. Note: you can substitute any well done component framework for bootstrap in the above statement.
zacmps 8y ago
>Right now we have CSS Grid and it works in all browsers Globally support seems to be at around 85%-87% [1], all browsers is misleading. [1] https://caniuse.com/#feat=css-grid https://caniuse.com/#feat=css-grid

coldtea 8y ago

>Bootstrap is going the way of table layouts. Table layouts were great too but times change. Right now we have CSS Grid and it works in all browsers. Which is irrelevant, as Bootstrap is much more than a grid system. Not to mention it's not meant for the types to mess with their own custom grid layout anyway.

hugi 8y ago
As a web programmer, I tend to agree with this. While I'm at it, I'd also like to extend a polite "fuck you" to the web industry. It's a horrible place. I like bootstrap and I'm going to use it so fuck. you.
Theodores 8y ago
Well I just checked to see if I missed anything with it and I didn't. The utilities and components are the same as I remember them being. I was the biggest fan of Bootstrap ever about five or more years ago, a total evangelist. But it seems to be just another flavour of div soup really. I have moved on. Even things like cool scrollspy things aren't worth the bloat or the learning requirement. I also prefer to learn real things rather than fake framework things. Now the tools are needed in modern browsers you might as well do it properly and learn something useful rather than follow some convenient hacks. It is quicker.

woah 8y ago

Too bad html without styling still looks terrible and differently terrible in every browser. My company uses bootstrap heavily and we’ve never used the grid. Bootstrap gives you a great basis on which to build an interface that has all the little details taken care of, and it’s very easy to skin. I’ve worked on projects where people made their own ui component kits to be cool, and they ended up having a lot of holes and incomplete parts. So much work could have been saved by skinning bootstrap. Note: you can substitute any well done component framework for bootstrap in the above statement.

zacmps 8y ago

>Right now we have CSS Grid and it works in all browsers Globally support seems to be at around 85%-87% [1], all browsers is misleading. [1] https://caniuse.com/#feat=css-grid https://caniuse.com/#feat=css-grid