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While it is fair that some of the plugins are problematic, in general the plugin space is fairly easy to traverse. Most plugins take at most 2 steps to install

While it is fair that some of the plugins are problematic, in general the plugin space is fairly easy to traverse. Most plugins take at most 2 steps to install (add to .vimrc, run update command) when using a plugin manager. Those that have external dependencies that take extra work are often packaged for distros. I know YouCompleteMe has an emerge package that bypasses all the setup hassle.

konart 8y ago
I was using pathogen and it's true that some plugins are just git clone away. But's it doesn't matter when you have to spent all evening to figure out something that simple and in the end it sill doesn't work. >often packaged for distros... I don't really care at this point. Vim is dead for me. And tbh most things that people describe here in the comments seem more like a form of autosuggestion. Losing context? What? All modern editors have command menu with everything you need. Fuzzy search, any command that the editor or and IDE can offer, including those provided by plugins installed. And you don't have to worry about pluging updates - it's automatic. All you have to do is to read a changelog if you are interested.
konart 8y ago
As a final attempt I've just installed SpaceVim. A distro. Full of features and whatnot. lang#go layer enabled - check. I go to the first .go file I can remember of and... autocomplete works. But only for the packages provided by the go iteself. Not the 3rd party. Kind of... what the point really? As a final word: I'm trully happy for people who have found their happiness in Vim. Nothing can be better that having a tool that satisfies your needs to the fullest. But I still can see it as a capable DE. Navigation is great and I use it in Firefox everyday via Tridactyl. All those hacky '3ytcvnsdg' whatever commands are super nice when you are working with some kind of csv dump of an oracle database via ssh (I had this moment!). Editing some configs on my Raspbery Pi? Sure. Writting books and such? Maybe, never had such experience. But software development? Seems like a nightmare to me.
- nickjj 8y ago
  I think one difference you and I have is, I've pretty much ditched the idea of autocomplete being a useful thing so I don't depend on it with any editor. This is coming at it from a Python, Ruby, Elixir point of view. This is mainly because of 2 things: 1. 99% of the apps I develop are Dockerized and there's no editor that flawlessly handles that 2. I've tried PyCharm, RubyMine, etc. and the autocomplete never really saves me that much time. In my mind "pretty good autocomplete" is worse than no autocomplete. Pretty good autocomplete usually slows you down overall because it's good, but not good enough. I still always find myself referencing documentation which means autocomplete didn't really do anything except maybe save typing a few characters.
  - konart 8y ago
    I've been coding in Python and Ruby most of the time and now it's Ruby with Go. And while I agree that autocomplete is less usefull with Ruby due to it's nature - it saves a ton of time while developing in Go. And sometimes you simply don't have any documentation to reference. So it's 'go to definition' and autocomplete all the way through. 1. What's the problem with it being Dockerized? I have my current project Dockerized too. JI just have :volumes in my docker-compose for development. If source code access is what we are talkig about. 2. see the above

konart 8y ago

I was using pathogen and it's true that some plugins are just git clone away. But's it doesn't matter when you have to spent all evening to figure out something that simple and in the end it sill doesn't work. >often packaged for distros... I don't really care at this point. Vim is dead for me. And tbh most things that people describe here in the comments seem more like a form of autosuggestion. Losing context? What? All modern editors have command menu with everything you need. Fuzzy search, any command that the editor or and IDE can offer, including those provided by plugins installed. And you don't have to worry about pluging updates - it's automatic. All you have to do is to read a changelog if you are interested.

konart 8y ago

As a final attempt I've just installed SpaceVim. A distro. Full of features and whatnot. lang#go layer enabled - check. I go to the first .go file I can remember of and... autocomplete works. But only for the packages provided by the go iteself. Not the 3rd party. Kind of... what the point really? As a final word: I'm trully happy for people who have found their happiness in Vim. Nothing can be better that having a tool that satisfies your needs to the fullest. But I still can see it as a capable DE. Navigation is great and I use it in Firefox everyday via Tridactyl. All those hacky '3ytcvnsdg' whatever commands are super nice when you are working with some kind of csv dump of an oracle database via ssh (I had this moment!). Editing some configs on my Raspbery Pi? Sure. Writting books and such? Maybe, never had such experience. But software development? Seems like a nightmare to me.

nickjj 8y ago
I think one difference you and I have is, I've pretty much ditched the idea of autocomplete being a useful thing so I don't depend on it with any editor. This is coming at it from a Python, Ruby, Elixir point of view. This is mainly because of 2 things: 1. 99% of the apps I develop are Dockerized and there's no editor that flawlessly handles that 2. I've tried PyCharm, RubyMine, etc. and the autocomplete never really saves me that much time. In my mind "pretty good autocomplete" is worse than no autocomplete. Pretty good autocomplete usually slows you down overall because it's good, but not good enough. I still always find myself referencing documentation which means autocomplete didn't really do anything except maybe save typing a few characters.
- konart 8y ago
  I've been coding in Python and Ruby most of the time and now it's Ruby with Go. And while I agree that autocomplete is less usefull with Ruby due to it's nature - it saves a ton of time while developing in Go. And sometimes you simply don't have any documentation to reference. So it's 'go to definition' and autocomplete all the way through. 1. What's the problem with it being Dockerized? I have my current project Dockerized too. JI just have :volumes in my docker-compose for development. If source code access is what we are talkig about. 2. see the above